The Conservative Hour: Our Discourse Is Broken

I hope everybody's having a fantastic afternoon. Christian, excellent. Meech Mike there. Today I wanted to talk about not just our discourse, but the way that not just us, but all of us, the way that we communicate. Having the being able to do this space for the last three years, I see how we all communicate. And sometimes it's great. Other times it's not so great. I think some of it is just because of think we all come from different perspectives and different points of view. And I think sometimes it's hard to put certain things into words. And I look at our leaders, they're no better. Because some stuff you see, it's very frustrating. And it might even make you angry. But being able to use your words in a way so others people can understand where you're coming from without making the plea ass of yourself, that I think is a bit harder. But I think that's kind of what we've all been dealing with as a nation for some time, not just with this current administration, but really just our politics in general. And it does feel like something has got to change pretty quickly because there's just so much noise all the time. But we'll get into this with our wonderful hosts and speakers. How are you doing, Salty? I am wonderful. I kind of broke this down a little bit, Nathan. So what does it mean that our discourse is broken? It could be a lack of constructive debate. Extreme polarization, misunderstanding and bias and loss of shared values. Then as we get a little further in the space, we can discuss these as they pop up. But I think those are four things that really have contributed to our, for the reason that we're having this space today, and why our discourse is broken. Yeah, sorry, my wife was texting me saying if she likes this, apparently doesn't have it. So I was sharing that with her. Hey, brother Chris, how you doing this more? Hey, good morning, everybody. Yeah, interesting topic. I think discourse is broken because no one wants to listen and everyone wants to talk nowadays. And that's a huge problem, right? So we used to be able to have a conversation in an argument. And even if I didn't believe your argument, if you presented something to me able to listen, now I think people don't even listen. They're ready to respond before they even hear the person speak. That's a problem, right? So because then we just go in circles and we never have conversations. But the biggest issue too is that it's hard to have discourses these days because of the way people yell, scream, talk to each other and stuff. And stuff, people don't want to have a conversation because they fear the outcome of that conversation. And it's pretty sad. We can't have political conversations in this country anymore without being called a communist and not conservative, like all the people in spaces I like to talk about Nathan and I for no apparent reason when we don't even mention these human beings. But anyways, that's a huge problem like instead of having an actual discourse, you run your own corner as long as that keeps happening or just gonna keep in the same team, team sport politics that we're playing these days. So we'll see what happens. Go ahead, Salty. Then I want to ask you an answer to the question. Go ahead, Salty. My question to you Chris, do you think it said people just go ahead? Oh, go ahead, I'm sorry. No, no, I'm sorry, you go ahead. I might wait and come off. I'll go after you. I hate that crap. Do you think it's also too that there are people who just want to be right and they don't really care what anybody else has to say? And it's like this is like you're 12 years old and you're arguing over who's basketball it is and stuff like that. It turns into this tug of war where no one really is hearing what the other person is saying. Like you said, because before the person said five words, somebody's already thought of their response. I just find it interesting. Go ahead, Salty. And then we'll get to brother Locke's at Swalt. Sure. I wanted to expand on this. I think also it comes down to polarization because I think it's difficult for many people to understand or respect different viewpoints. There's a lot of people like for instance, that like Chris was saying, I may not agree with you, but I'm going to respect your viewpoint where instead of having respect for an opposing view, we're automatically going to call them evil or they're horrible or dismiss them, shut them down because they think differently than we do, especially in the political arena. And I think that's a big problem now, especially when you're someone like me who does want to respect the opinions that I get put until a completely different category that I'm sipping for people or that this way adjacent, what all I'm trying to do is not judge and just really try to understand that we think differently. It doesn't make them necessarily evil all the time. Are there viewpoints that are evil? Yes, but I don't think as many as we like to portray. Love it, love it, love it. All right, brother Locke, get on up here. I know you were happy to see the picture in the games, lose. So I can't wait. Yeah. Hey, what's going on, everybody? Chris, good game yesterday. Man, I thought the night it was just, it looked like a blob, but they looked like they're about to glow it, but good game. I know you guys are undefeated. And good luck on Atlanta. That's weak. Interesting topic. I want to, I like to learn a lot with other people, say, toots. And my point of view is pretty much is like what Chris G said earlier and salty name. I think people would just want to, it's always going to have arguments. I mean, everybody's going to say, oh, this way or this way. I mean, we could all have good conversation. And just everybody got their own point of view and stuff like that. But anyways, you know, I'm always here to support you, Nate, salty, Chris, all you guys. So I'm interested of what people have to say. Everybody have a good day and I'll speak up here later and always bear down. Bear down, bear down. All right. Let's get to Swamp, Henry. And then we'll get to Tim and Lapis. Brother Swamp, how you doing, man? Oh, I'm doing fine. Thank you very much. I hope all of you are well in your corner of the world. You know, I think you could just add the space right now, because Chris summed it up perfectly. But in all seriousness, yeah, I mean, I think one of the things is that people often see a disagreement or a different view as an attack automatically. And yeah, lack of listening skills. People don't want to understand exactly why people might have certain views. But then again, often people just don't want to explain why they have a certain view either. So you put those two things together and discourse just completely falls apart. That's what you mean else. Well said, well said, Henry, get up here, brother. Hey, so does you want to comment specifically on this topic? Sure. I mean, unless you have something else, I mean, that's up to you. Yeah, so I think a lot of its communication based and I'm reluctantly being facetious. But not completely, reluctantly, an agreement with swamp to a degree, which is rare. So kudos swamp. But yeah, we're talking about the basic concept. I think what ends up happening in mixed base and mixed groups. And I think we've all experienced something like this in a meeting before, like if you're all depending on the nature of your work, if you have meetings and stuff. And what ends up happening sometimes? There's a couple different things that happens. In a meeting, there's probably not people as well. At least in my world, not as often operating in bad faith or whatever, but then it does happen here. And not here in your space, like your space is unique, but I mean, in political discourse. The other thing that happens is somebody could be very off on something in the beginning of a very long-winded rant and go on and on and on and on. And it's like it's one of those things, especially if you're friendly with a person or you generally agree with them. Like they're expressing an idea, whatever, in good faith. It is hard to listen to that whole thing. Like everybody's different. And I think I had the patience for it when I was younger. I don't know. And I'm kind of in the guy in the meeting and even on these spaces, you probably heard me, like, hey, hey, hold on, hold on, hold on. And that's not like, again, disrespecting somebody's speech or time. They could just be going off on a really long-winded kind of thing. The other thing is Nathan, people do have, like I don't consider whether it's, let's say, white supremacy or any form of Marxism or any form of moderate to standard leftism or any form of islamism or most islamic, I don't want to say, like worldviews. The worldviews of not too much, you know, there's certain ideas that to me are just anathema. They're not worth, I don't want to hear, I don't, I guess maybe Twitch is on, everybody does want to hear or give that room because that's the nature of the online presence that you have but it's like, for me, it's like, I guess, and I think I put that assumption on others and when I, what I'm interrupting a lot of, not always, we're all human, I mean, we do things, you know. But like, it's a lot of times it's like, God, what are we, why are we giving breath to this? And like yesterday's example, when we were talking about this topic was there was so many really good faith people in the space talking about this, but they were talking about, and again, that's why I said that, I mean, that comment, we didn't have a chance to unpack it. That comment about like, what you're called, like sounding condescending. There were so much of like a 101 version of that conversation that a lot of people that might be listening or in good faith are getting confused and think like, oh, this is all happening, like, this stuff in France was happening because, because it originated with some kind of good faith effort or that the 2020 riots were initiated and would have happened otherwise because of good faith, you know, like actors, right? Like, and that's where it's like, no, no, no, there's all these other things going on and it's helpful to kind of like, take a step back and get a historical precedent, all this other kind of stuff to understand all the crap that goes into all that kind of stuff. So anyway, that's kind of sometimes I think the different dynamics that go into play. I hope that wasn't too long-winded for everybody. I think a lot of people were all, in many of these places there's a lot of good faith and it's just kind of communication style and stuff. So, nah, I don't, I didn't disagree with anything you said, man, appreciate you. Go ahead, salty, then we'll get to Lapis, just in case he has somewhere to be and then we'll get to Tim and then we'll get to Heather, of course. Thanks. Henry, I'm so glad you brought that up. Because another thing I noticed is listening skills, which I need to do better at. Did I hear you say that yesterday you felt that you heard in the space that the riot started with good faith effort? Is that correct? Is that what you were saying just now? In France? Yes, aha. Yeah, so I think the idea of one of a lot of these things come up whether it's France and there were some element of, I think everybody understands, I think we all understand. I think the idea was there was that there's different people with different agendas, no disagreement. And we could say the great thing into 20, right? The thing is, is would they have happened if not for XYZ? And the XYZ, and Nathan kind of was speaking to that a little bit yesterday, but he was kind of, he was kind of rightfully frustrated with, oh, it's always source, we always hear source. Well, sources still, you know, his son is there, but there's also many other groups of the same mentality and the same worldview, the Marxist, whatever, that are also funding and doing things behind the scenes. I think open society is one, or maybe sources of part of that one, there's like two or three big ones and then there's a bunch of other ones. And they move on. Well, what I find interesting, if you don't mind, what I find that reason I ask, what I find interesting is you took that from yesterday's space. What I heard, and I think we're both right, but what I heard that it was an accumulation of all of it, all of the above, not just one or the other, where it was,