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than this high remember vividly in the end of July 2025,
right before Scott whacked us with a convertible bond,
then thinking I had foregone generational wealth
when the stock corrected down on 37.
For now back at 70, that's amazing.
Instead of we look at the earnings calls for one,
we were noticed by the Wall Street Journal.
Unfortunately, Wall Street Journal just to put a picture
of Blue Origin, New Glenn 3 as the cover of the story,
that's sort of a, you know, a suspicious picture for us,
but you know, from the ashes we will rise again.
And so I thought there were a lot of really incredible
earnings calls summaries.
I was, I was in London when it hit.
So I wasn't able to live tweet everything
and it was also super related night for me.
But the key points I'll read a couple of these is basically
they confirmed J. Leo.
And so it looks like that really is just gonna be a billion dollar
subsidy for Japanese flag satellites.
But then otherwise the satellites are pumping around
for the rest of the constellation.
So it was really neat.
And I actually don't know how CFO Johnson would think about this.
But when they're giving guidance on the cost per satellite,
I highly doubt they're thinking about the net cost guidance,
net of any subsidies.
That would make no sense that they would subtly layer
in a definition like that.
But all of a sudden, if there's this billion dollar
non-delittle government grant going into the constellation,
based on my personal current understanding of how this might work,
which again could be wrong, could change.
All of a sudden, our actual net cost per satellite,
sorry, as usual, I'm sick.
I did a double red eye flight to get here.
I wanted travel to get my daughter,
which is where I did my spaces last week and then another gets a Europe
in my weak end immune system that was not a recipe for success.
But anyway, that type of government credit
would go to actually make our constellation a lot cheaper.
And what this reminds me of is back in the early days,
if you were really smart and could see the future,
you would have appreciated that Tesla was an analog I make
quite often as it relates to STS,
notwithstanding any potential ironies people point out.
Tesla initially had its sort of high octane fuel
port on it by government grants.
That's what allowed it to have its initial non-delative financing,
which really helped accrue an enormous amount of value
to shareholders.
I see some parallels with how J. Leo is structured.
And I'm anxiously awaiting further details on it.
So this is a deal that's waiting for definitive documentation
and could take a while, based on my general understanding
of how definitive documentation occurs and deals like this.
But my other understanding is how things work in Japan.
When something isn't announced, this is a done deal sort
of each side exchanges ceremonial samurai swords
upon one's honor.
And I would be astounded if something changed adversely
from here on out.
And so to me, this is a done deal, whether the market feels
like it's appropriately discounted this or not, I don't know.
But I certainly go to bed every night realizing
that this is important.
They come, but he also announced
three new government contract awards.
So these are starting to really pile in.
And again, the US government's not a charity, Trump not a charity.
And so that means that these satellites are actually
demonstrating things for these contracts
to start to roll in and considering just how early we are
in the constellation.
The fact that these deals are coming in, $100 million
plus in funded near term value.
The fact that these are already coming in to me
is an incredibly optimistic prelude to what we'll follow.
And then sure enough, Scott was very quickly
talking about how these were going to scale
to maybe half a billion dollars next year.
Then we have Deutsche Telecom.
So they've all but told us that T-Mobile is going
to do a contract.
And so I think that the company is trying to give you
as clear a read of what's happening
without being able to just say it outright.
And so the signals are there.
And I just again go back to how many companies
do I follow at this level of detail
where I don't already own a huge position?
Zero.
There's only so many hours in the day.
And so I'm also not a pod analyst.
So you mean just thinking about that.
So let's say I were a pod analyst.
Well, I hope you would all pray for me
because it's a terrible lifestyle.
And I'm not.
Thank God that opportunity was stripped away from me
at one point, unceremoniously.
But you'd have 40 names to cover.
And so these guys are generally really sharp.
I'm always really astounded at my friends who are PMs
at these places, how much they're on top of things.
What I don't know is their analyst.
So at this point of my life, my career, my friends are PMs
and not the analyst.
So I actually don't know what their analyst know.
But I would again be astounded.
If you have a coverage universe of 40 names,
and then there's this pre-revenue name
in your coverage group, because if you're a TMD analyst,
you're thinking about AT&T, T-Mobile, things like that.
The chance you're able to spend all this time on ASTS
is really crazy.
Your PM, for example, my friends who are the PMs,
would never let their analyst go down the rabbit hole
like this because they would say,
we're never going to be able to size it.
It's too early, the walls too high, things like that.
And so when you think about the available alpha in the name,
which is another theme that I've talked about,
first of all, there's an incredible amount of it.
It is an incredible, so that's just a statistic.
ASTS makes its own weather more so than big mature stocks,
definitionally true.
Then the availability to develop a really important view
on that alpha, I think, is unmatched
because of the research that Space Mob does,
but also once you learn how to read the company's own
earnings calls, they literally tell you everything.
They just don't come out and pump the crap out of things
because they're professional, and they don't need to,
but they certainly will tell you which way the puck is going.
And so they're telling you that we got a deal with T-Mobile.
Exciting things.
Well, I don't know what the stock price announcement will be
if we do get some sort of big bang announcement
like we got from Verizon and AT&T,
but I'd have to believe it would be pretty big.
And so I anxiously await that day.
We have $3.7 billion of pro forma cash
giving it effect to the convertible bond.
$1.3 billion of backlog.
So that revenue backlog is going to be a number
I think people are going to start to care about right now.
It's funny, yeah, I feel like I've almost been inoculated to it
because it's out because ASTS has always covered
in so many controversies, most of which are false.
I don't know if I ever really step back and go,
holy shit, this company has a $1.3 billion revenue backlog
and they just started launching satellites.
That seems like a big deal to me.
And so this number I think will start to become the number.
And so as it starts really skyrocketing
to many, many billions, it's going to be a good indicator
of where the puck is going.
And then of course, it should at some point
really just convert into career cashflow based on usage.
It's not totally clear to me why we're
going to have all these long term contracts.
Except for the fact that a key part of the company's business model
really should be capacity payments, where M&O is
paid for five, 10 years of guaranteed access, things like
first net as well, military contracts.
But there could be a point where that number becomes less
important and really subsumed just by the current earnings
of the company.
But in the near term, this number going up
is really also showing that the customers like it
and they're really big on it.
$1.3 billion is a lot of money.
And we also have 10 launches booked.
Some people are still a little upset about this,
whereas Cots has won every other month.
It is what it is.
And so these satellites will find a way to orbit
and then a lot of additional capacities coming in 2027.
But I think the company's just going to do what they've
got to do to get these satellites in orbit.
We're going to have batch three shipping pretty soon.
And I'm excited for that.
Company is saying that radar and low band
is already the majority of US government revenue to date.
I can't see why there's any limit to the demand for that
capability.
The Department of War seems to really like what they see.
And government is, quote, a recurring multi-billion dollar
period opportunity starting in 2027, up to half of the target
in 2027, up the $1 billion guidance.
So this is a very high multiple revenue stream.
And I think we'll be viewed as very validating
for the company.
So when people fully wake up, this
is going to start to really drive the bus.
GPS is now on the mission list.
And so the use cases keep expanding.
Radar, communication, and GPS.
If you had been following the space mob,
especially Katzi, you would have long since
known about how 5G satellite technologies
have very distinct and valuable GPS applications.
The company is showing incredible data rates, 100 megabits
per second, already demonstrated with a path
to 200 megabits per second, which is something far greater
than anything I had ever dialed into.
The company is also rapidly expanding their factory footprint.
And it's explicitly for US government scale.
This is something I remember really putting together last September,
I'm trying to remember when I was, I remember where I was.
I was walking on New Jersey Shore, listening to Scott
talking, I believe, at a Deutsche Bank conference.
And that's when it hit me.
He went, well, they're doing this because they
have a dedicated blackbird facility for the government.
Now that seems to be more or less stated.
So a lot of really cool things here.
And let me quickly just look at some of these other summaries
that I had linked.
But there was really high quality summaries,
DePaul did a great one, yeah, Dave did one.
I like yeah, Dave's commentary a lot because he's
a busy guy and looking all over the market.
It seems to be a phenomenally successful investor
far more successful than I am based on the metric that matters,
which is returns.
And so I really like to read his things
very carefully also knowing that ASTS
has to compete for his time because of all the different things
he looks at.
And so we made the point that each line in this transcript
effectively is confirming a big deal to him
when taking as a total picture.
And so really cool here because it's really an annotated
transcript for him.
But he points out to things that we've always
talked about a lot like the ASIC chip.
So that's coming.
But the thing that seems to really
caught his attention was the applicability of IoT.
And so expanding far beyond the simple elevator pitch
we talk about in terms of dead spots and things like that.
But then he goes to what we'll talk about in a second,
which is the space-based AI edge compute.
I thought this would have gotten more attention.
But I get how AI right now is a little bit
in the healing process.
But the company is now taking this beyond the hypothetical
to telling us exactly when this is going to enter
the product roadmap.
And this is something I had been anxiously awaiting.
I'm a good guesser.
And so knew that a bell would think about this opportunity
because a bell is an aggressive founder.
The question is when would the general public get
the big reveal on the product roadmap?
And I was expecting something that
is much more of a PowerPoint AI opportunity,
sort of like, hey, these are things we may do in the future.
What we got was far more than that.
Here is what we will do.
And here is when it will start and boom.
And the background is we have all the patent data
to know how they're really thinking about it.
But he really says what we've said for quite a long time
is that when you think about the key innovations
of ASTS, it's really not connecting
it's not that front hall part of the satellite
that has the RF antennas.
It's actually on the dark side of the moon.
It's the solar panel configuration
is the ability to have the most power in orbit.
And so if you think of ASTS as some people
who invented Iceland, so you invent Iceland,
what do you have?
A lot of geothermal energy and some wonderful people,
although I do not recommend walking around Reykjavik
at two in the morning because it turns out
that the flight can beat the shit out of each other
when they drink too much.
But other than that, Iceland is an incredible place
and blessed with incredible amount of power.
And so if you had created Iceland, first of all,
congratulations, you were God,
but then second of all, you'd say,
what am I gonna do with it?
And so you call Alkoa.
Easy to find it in a phone book,
because it starts with A.
And you say hi Alkoa, could you put an aluminum schmelter
on my island?
And then we go, sure, you have cheap electricity.
Then you become involved in Bitcoin farming.
You basically do anything that has the highest
and best use to monetize your power resource.
ASTS has what we believe to be the low cost power resource
because it has the most efficient use of phased array space
within a fairing.
And so in terms of solar energy to varying volume,
my belief I actually haven't done this exact math,
you can just see it very clearly that it's the case.
Is the most efficient at putting a solar array in space
that has the thermal dissipation properties
to then do all the other things on the other side.
But initially that is RF communications, telecom
has always been where the big money is in space
and sure enough, that's what we think is true as well.
But then with the other things you can do in space
like compute that I'll realize,
and in fact, how the critical path being power.
So we're now at the moment of...