Undercover to Europe Through The Sahara and the Mediterranean Sea.

Good evening everyone. Thank you for making time out to join this space. It's a one day, I know one day is a busy day for most people. Many people on this call have had the active day. So thank you for making all the time to join us. I want to encourage Daniel and Timi Lane to make it to make it as interactive as possible. I want the, I want our guests on this space to own this space. I want them to do more of the talking than me. I think most of the things that I want to say already in this story. So I would really like that those who are joined this space have as much time as possible to speak purely, I mean, mostly on two things. The their perspectives on why we have a problem that has persisted for decades. And it looks like soft, sovereign African governments are not quite interested in solving it. And what exactly do they think we can do as a people to to to lessen the crisis? Thank you and good evening to everyone once again. Fantastic. Thank you very much, Mr. Shionbo for that. There you have it. It's open to the public. Let's hear from you. What do you think is the reason this problem has persisted? Why do you think it's the failings of the soft, sovereign African countries? The governments, let's hear from you, members of the audience. If you want to speak, please request a mic. And we'll invite you to speak. You get your opportunity to share with us. My co-host, Timiline, if you see anyone who's raising your hands indicating, please invite them to have to join the conversation. Yes. We're taking speakers. Yes, we have a speaking request from Abdul Ganiyu at DME. Mr. Abdul Ganiyu, you have the mic. Oh, thank you. Thank you. I was going to be sorry. I've been cashing in the other time. My name is Daniel Jucro. Okay, Daniel. I want to thank you, Mr. Fistai, Mr. Yombo. Honestly, we didn't do this piece. I can't imagine what you would have gone through. Like, it's a lot. And then I could recall, like, the first time that I had an idea of what people from this part of the world are going through, I'm talking of my journey and all of the stuff you can. People, what it good to do this era and all of those places. I first read it from Mr. Onusheguadini, the former spokesperson for Presidential Adora. He was the one who detailed it in one of his books. And I can't imagine, like, how did we get here? Because that's the question that everybody wants to ask that. How did we get to this level? Because we look at the way our people have been treated in a very sad manner. And the thing is that it is even an order to talk about what people have gone through when it comes to the AOTW. It's an order to talk about the number of people who has lost their lives trying to navigate their way to Europe. You know, we continue to see stories of stories. And Sarah Desert, as young as I have, has been home for a very long time. We're talking about decades. People have been using the same route to find their way to Europe. But it doesn't seem that people are even stopping. Even despite the kind of good work that Mr. Fisayo is doing, this is some people that are planning to go through the same route despite their way, where there's despite the warning despite the kind of people, the examples. I can remember not quite long. I'm talking about six months ago now. I don't know if people on TikTok can recall. There was a man who did a series of engagement with people on TikTok telling them how I was able to make a process using the route. How I was able to make it to Europe. It was a fact. I remember. It was advising people that it's not an easy journey. But if they can sacrifice, they can make up their mind. They will make a process using that route. This is not even up to six months. Some will make use of the same route. Make a process to Europe, come back again and tell people to do the same thing. Just to summarize my point, you look at it's problem is an existential one from the government. Every single day people are planning to leave the country. If I can tell you that if I'm able to wrong, I'm not speaking based on any statistics. If you look at it, if you can't read the notes, you would see more than 70% of people who go to the UK today, who go to the US, who go to other European countries for study and talking about legal study, they don't go there because they actually did want to study. They do so because that is the avenue for them to get to Europe, for them to get to UK, for them to get to US. Mr. Ari, I'll continue your gesture. I need to be honest with you. Seven percent of people, they don't want to do this. Can you please run up in about a minute. We have a lot of people waiting to see. It's really sad that the problem is an existential one. It's from the government. If we do not tackle this from our government, from our policy makers, it is sad that we continue to have a bit of these issues. Thank you, God bless you. Thank you, Mr. Fisai. All right. Thank you, Mr. Figaro. Mr. Figaro made a few points. He said that the problem has been existing for a while. That despite knowing the troubles that people don't have, the good distinction during this. At the point of this business course, we talk about why we think that this is persisting, especially how we've been used to developing this solution. I'm going to invite friend of the next speaker. Engineer, I know this. I requested to Mike while we started to tell you what we were still speaking. So I'm going to speak space for you now to talk. Please, because of the number of people that we have, we're trying to make this as we can't suppose to go through three minutes, 12th, round of after that. Thank you very much. And you're at the sleep, please. Thank you. Good evening to everyone on the call. And then, Mr. Fisai, I really want to appreciate you for that effort. For the effort you put into the walk, because I follow the trend of people who travel through the route, sometimes I go to YouTube and I just try to hear from people who use the route to Europe. And immediately I saw your post about it. I took my time to ensure that I followed up, I read line to line, everything you said about your experience on that trip. Basically, I have met two people physically who used that route. So what they have told me about your route, it's not something that I wish for my enemy. So because of that, whenever I see somebody says, he or she used that route, you know, I just want to hear their story. And then just like we all know, as we are speaking, now there are people, there are thousands of people on that route on their journey to Europe. And we know that the chances, the chances I can't divorce is 50-50. It should be around 20-80. That is the chance of not surviving that journey is about 80 percent. So I really appreciate your effort because at least you did it intentionally, not because you wanted to cross, but because you wanted to learn the lesson. And if you check some of my comments, I used to comment, I said, nobody should take that kind of risk, you know. And I don't know what the government is doing about this, because we have seen countless of people come back to tell their stories. And I believe each of these people that come back to tell their stories, they often state how the journey started, where they took them through. And you know, why is the government not making use of this data, this information from these people to ensure that this route, this route, a monitor checks and blocks, you know, at least if the government is doing enough about this, you know, it will stop a lot of people from, you know, from this deadly journey, you know. And for those who made it to the other side, tongue got for them. But you know as human is, people may see the danger, but the success may cloud your mind more than the failure. So they just want to try. And if for any reason anybody tries that journey, just know that it is because they see them, they have even take remaining in Nigeria than back in that journey. I think as a people and as a contrarian, I believe that this effort that the minister, the Fissiah put into this work, you know, I believe is going to also yield positive results in the people who put change their mind, you know. And I just hope that maybe relevant agencies, organizations will go to partner with him so that this message will be told both on social media and telepomitalism. So thank you so much. Thank you very much, engineer. You said some people see themselves as already dead before they embark on this journey. The cost of traveling to Libya or to Europe through Libya is expensive, but people still embark. Why does this problem persist? For obviously, just a minute, Daniel, before you take those next speaker, I just want to quickly add that I'm comfortable with being called FS. That's shorter than Mr. Sousa and so. So FS is fine. I'm comfortable being referred to now. Thank you. Thank you very much. So yes, the cost of migrating is expensive. Yes, people who are according to the engineer Kingsley see themselves as dead before they embark on this journey still pay for this journey. Why is this problem persistent? All obviously, you have the floor. Is there an obviously available? Yes. Good afternoon. Good evening, sir. Hello. Good evening. Good evening, proceed. Good evening, sir. Well done, well done, sir. Because I read what you would, I read it from past 1 to 3. Like you really tried it. You tried it lots. Could those two you really tried lots? I just want to say one or two things about what we are talking about. All these people that are going to land. I don't know. I don't even see the reason why you will be going to Libya in the first place. And I am going to Libya. Can't you just think that you are an achiever what you want to achieve? Because I read the story from past 1 to past 3. I said I saw what all these ladies are passing through which is not good. And I really felt pity for them. Go with your help, boss. Go with your help. Thank you so much. Thank you very much, Alabis. Yes, sir. I think we can hear from someone who has embarked on that journey. Hari, you have 3 minutes? All right, thank you very much, guys. Good evening, everybody. Special greetings to my FS. I have been on that dance floor of your walk on this year for a long time. Very long time. Actually, after the report you did, I think it was Benin Republic and the traffic going on in Benin Republic especially in Babod Yalasso. But this is very important. This is very personal to me because I have the host mentioned. I think I have witnessed it first and I have been there on that. And it happened two years ago but it is still something I get to see and talk about everyday because right now.