The comeback conversationRound 2 rug city

of what occurs in life, you know, you can count on those specific few people in your life that you know if something's wrong and go to, because we all go through things at one point or another where we get lost in off the path we're supposed to be on. But again, you know, you remember where you come from, you learn the lessons you learn and you continue to push forward through. I mean, one of the strongest females I fucking know in my life. Thank you. I appreciate that. Yeah, you know what? Everybody's struggles are relevant. That's something my mom taught me, especially when I was going through that tough period after I lost my child. I just couldn't understand why nobody seemed to care, why the world would just kept spinning and everything was going on and I was really angry. Like I was going through everything, all the emotions. And you know, I've been through stuff. I've been through a lot of terrible things. A lot of things that I haven't told lots and wealth. There's things that have happened to me that I haven't even told my own family. But just because my dealings with life may be a little bit harder than some other people doesn't mean that they're problems that they're going through are any less relevant. And I think that is something really important to remember when dealing with people. It's because I lost a child doesn't mean that somebody else who've lost their job is any less relevant. Just because it's different doesn't mean it's not the same. Everything is relevant to that person. And you know, it's so so important to be kind to people. And that's really the message that I wanted to get across with my story. And that's what I'm trying to resonate as a whole. Even you know, in my spaces, I don't touch on these kind of stuff. But I want to create an environment that's safe, that's open, that's loving, that's funny, because people are going through tough shit. And we all need an outlet. So yeah, that's kind of the message I wanted to resonate here tonight is although I've been through shit, if you stay true to yourself, love yourself and others, then life's going to be okay. You know, and I think something really powerful and beautiful that can come from, you know, those of us who suffer in silence for a lot of years and try and put on that get through anything on my own exterior. When we reached the other side of that, and this is something that you shared, but also something I've just seen in you and the time that I've been in the space is having those experiences. Like now you are someone who fosters an environment where it's safe to let people know that they are safe to ask for help. You know what I mean? It took me a lot of years going through the various things that I went through to know that it's okay to not be okay. You know, like you said, and the best thing that I can do is ask for help. And now, like sometimes I think I maybe go a little overboard because I don't make any big decisions without talking to a couple of very core people in my life before I make them because I'm a, I can be a dumb dumb, you know. And asking for help and reaching out and whether it's in your real tangible immediate life in front of you or here in the space where we all spend a lot of time feeling comfortable with certain people. Like I haven't had to do this with you, but I feel like if I were going to reach out to you and be like, hey, sure, I'm going through something. Like, can we hop on a call? Like I need a perspective, right? You would say yes, right? And it wouldn't be some like judgey thing or like you wouldn't like need an NFT for your time or anything like that, you know. And I appreciate that. For now or for her time? Absolutely. I'd pay it. Oh my gosh. No, look, I can't stress enough. The importance of asking for help. I personally myself, like I said, I was in a very dark place and I managed to pull myself out of it and I did exist without even realizing how much I was hurting for a very, very long time. But the implications that had not only on me mentally, but physically, now I've got that fibromyalgia, which is something that you can never, it never goes away. It's just something that you have to learn how to manage. And for those of you that don't know what fibromyalgia is, it's basically a condition that your brain sends pain signals to parts of your body because it doesn't mentally know how to process or cope with the thoughts that you're having. That's probably the best way that I could put it. So I was living in physical pain because of the depression and the anxiety and the PTSD. So please, if you were going through something, if you are hurting, if you aren't coping on your own, I cannot stress the importance of reaching out for help, whether that be a friend or a family member or a professional help from somebody who is partial to what's going on in your life. I honestly, I didn't see the value of talking to somebody who was actually trained in this thing. Going to a psychologist changed my life completely and gave me the tools that I can now take with me. And if things get down, I don't have to go and see him anymore, if I don't want to, because I've been given those things that advice where I can implement it in my day to day. And it doesn't mean that I'm always happy, happy joy, joy, and things are always sunshine and rainbows, but it definitely helps. So yeah, I really can't stress enough that it's okay to reach out for help. And sometimes we do need it, so. Absolutely. I'm going to, I've seen because it's had it hand up for a while. It's been a because and then we'll go to Echo. Hi, Shari. Thank you for sharing your story. I experienced the loss of a child. It wasn't my decision. That decision was taken out of my hands in 2016. And I was in a depression for about 10 years. But I wouldn't have been a good father then. The person I was with wasn't meant to be my person. And it was more, it was the most challenging time in my life. But I get to be a different father than the father I had growing up. And now I've come to look at those troubling times that I experienced and that you've undoubtedly experienced as a resume for reach. When people are going through their hard times, you can associate with so many more people. Now that you've gotten to the other side of it, I'm grateful that I got to meet you. I appreciate you sharing tonight. And know that you're not alone. I love you, Shari. Well, thank you. I appreciate that. And you know what the funny thing is, I don't have the stout some hands right now. But infant loss, whether it be a choice or whether it is a choice, it is so incredibly common. The thing that really, really annoys me is that it's not spoken about more often. And I did a whole space on this just recently back in August. Her birth there was August the 18th. And she would have been, she would have, what is the year? She was in 2012 this year, which is crazy to think. I could have had a 12-year-old daughter running around right now. It doesn't get any easier. Each year, the day comes and I think I'm going to be okay and the lead up to it. I'm like, I'm fine. And then the day comes and it really hits you like a ton of bricks. And it's something that I will never forget. I still have the memory of that day, etched in my brain like it was yesterday. Infant loss of any capacity. You really can't understand what it does to you and how it affects you unless you've been through it. And I don't just mean babies, children, adult children. A parent should never have to be put in that situation. You should never have to bury your child or say goodbye to your child. It is a horrible thing. So I always find it crazy when you bring up these topics, how many people come up. And during that space, it was incredible. Here in this space, people that I would not have even known at all who had been through infant loss came up on that space and said, we've been through something similar. Me and my wife had a similar situation. Somebody in my family had this. It's crazy. And yet it's still not spoken about. And it's so important, especially for people going through it to know that there is, you do come out the other side. And you shouldn't feel ashamed for speaking about it because just because my daughter isn't here now, just because she's not physically beside me, doesn't mean I want to hide her away. And she's a part of me as anybody who has gone through this type of loss will know something you should wear proudly. It's definitely something that should be spoken about more often and never ever feel guilty. It never makes somebody else let you feel guilty for speaking about it. So yeah, that's my biggest message. And you know what? I have said all along, even if I don't know you, if it's say somebody here in the space and their partner has gone through it or their sister or their friend, my door is always open. Because when I was going through that, I didn't know anybody. Actually, I knew one girl who had been through something similar. And obviously I did speak with her a lot. But going online, and there's so many blogs from people who have gone through that similar situation, that's really what got me through it at that time, was reading that there were other women and other people out there who had gone through something like this. Because I very did, I very much felt alone, probably the most alone I've ever felt, even though I had a pretty strong support network around me at the time. You just internally feel very isolated. But anyway, I'm going to stop rambling now. Poor Echor's hands about full of. Real quick, sure. She's, she's a Leo. That's the day before my birthday. There you go. And you know what, I think my son is a Leo too. He falls into it. He was born on the 27th of July. His due date, because he actually came, he came a month early. That is a whole nother story in itself. That was traumatic too. He came a month early and his due date was actually supposed to be on her due date. Because she also came a couple of days early. So he was supposed to be born on the 21st of August. It was super weird. I was freaking out. I was like, god damn, I can't go through this again. Why is it so similar? But he's a Leo as well. So shout out to the Leo's in the room. Echor, the floor is yours, brother. Thank you, Tim. Thank you. Love, thank you. Love the show. Love your dog squeaky toy in the background earlier, man. It had my dog go on. Hey, she was like running around like. Like in the phone. Yeah, it's hilarious. But and then I'll show you, I love you. She's one of the first people I've ever met. Kind of like in crypto Twitter and X and she, the first person, got me up on spaces and not even talk and just got me up on stage. And yeah, I was just so nervous. But the next thing you know, in spaces all the time co-hosted and then you know, so she's just so supportive and you know, loving and so sorry, sorry. You're stored about your child and you know, it's a lot of people I've gone through something similar. So, but it's not about me. It's about you and so you know, you're a wonderful person and a lot of times it takes people a long time to realize the worth and they let people use them and run over them. So, you know, and it's all attempt to think that you want to people love me. It's not that they don't love you. It's, you know, they're bad people. So, you're a wonderful person and I love you. Don't ever touch. I love you too, Echor. And you're one of my closest friends here in this space. And you know, I just, I, I tread your out friendship and I truly do believe I know I'm across the other side of the world from just about every single person in this room. I will meet each and every one of you one day. I will try my dandas to do it and Echor, you're definitely very much on the top of that list. Yes. Yes. I always hear for you and I just love when I first met Echor, he was so shy and so funny, but so loving and I was like, come up, come up in my space, like no, I can't do that. And then I was like, just come up. You don't even have to unmute. Just like, you know, get a feel for it. And then eventually he did and then he started speaking. And now we can't shut him up. Now we're going to show him a real straight away. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, it's like I'm on your spaces all the time. And that's what I tell people to. It's like, you know, just come up on stage and sit. Like, don't even have to say anything. Just, you know, it is the nerves. And then next thing you know, you're saying, huh? You're talking and doing a space, you know? So and it's all because, you know, because you, you know, just kind of, he's me into it. You know, he weren't like pushing about it. Just like, I just come up, you know, it's like, it's like, okay. You know, so it's, you know, somebody's winning more people, like even this world, it'd be a lot better place. Thank you, echo. And I mean,