Come all ye platonists

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This is a Twitter/X Spaces conversation where a pagan/heathen content creator discusses ongoing harassment from Platonists after criticizing Plato, arguing Platonism has nothing to do with heathenry or Hellenism, and clarifies the incident that triggered the backlash. - The host opened a space to invite critics ("Church of Plato guys") to debate him directly after days of them spam-posting and harassing him in his replies, but they did not show up. - The core dispute: the host argues Platonism is not the original religion of Hellenism/heathenry, and that "there's nothing that Athens has to include Asgard" — i.e., Plato's philosophy is foreign to pagan practice. - The harassment escalated after the host posted a meme mocking Plato in response to Richard Spencer's claim that Homer's Iliad and Odyssey were "anti-white"; Platonists mass-reported the host's channel as hate speech. - A prior debate with "S" ended badly — S "got into Platonism" mid-debate, which the host says was unfair, though he holds no hard feelings. - The host and guest "S" discussed the "defector," a member who left the Platonist group after getting angry, which may have triggered the recent surge of debate and attacks. - The host clarified he runs two separate channels: his main one for video projects and "Pagan Revivalism" for podcast content, both pursued simultaneously. - The host remains unfazed, stating "it's the internet, you got to have thick skin," and distinguishes between reasonable Platonist debaters (like S) and the ones who lie and mass-report him for critiquing a historical figure from 2,400 years ago. Conclusion: The host invites critics to debate him directly rather than harass him anonymously —

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say that plateenism was the actual original religion of heathenry of Hellenism whatever. And not only this, but it is nothing to do with heathenry. There's nothing that Athens has to include Asgard. How's it going, Aidan? Oh, you have a mic? The thing I do now is the first time that I've been here on Twitter. So can you hear me? Yeah, I can hear you good. How's it going? Nice. Good. I'm going to be here in front of you. I wanted to hear what you had to say about plateenism. Been following you for years now. You always didn't know me. But I've been following you for a very long time. So thank you for all you do. You have inspired me a lot. You also have your friend, Odenets, the pay, I think, is called. Yeah. Yeah. He's a good man. He's a... I understand the cultural differences with Slava guys. So to the average American, it comes off as cold a little bit. But that's just how it is over there in Eastern Europe. And it was really cool. I did some translations for him. There was a Slavic... There was a Ukrainian movie about Sadislav the Great. And he wanted some English dubs. And so I said, well, if you could just give me timestamps and what the translation from Ukrainian to English, I could just put them as subtitles. So he did all the work, you know. But I put in this. I did like maybe 5% of that work. So I'm not going to claim it's not a credit for that. But it was fun. I really enjoyed it. Cool. I might watch it if I find it. I don't know. If you two recommend it, I should watch it, I guess. Yeah. No, I wish I could do the whole thing. And maybe that's something that Odinets and I could do in the future. But... Ah, you didn't finish it then. No, no, no. It was just one clip. It was the clip where Sadislav confronts the monk. There, manak. And I guess they'll... I can still hear it now. You know. It's weird because you know, like I really follow you. So I don't know. I don't remember that fight. It's the right you post to many things. So I can't remember everything. Oh, yeah. There's been a lot of things. But for the most part, the church of Poito guys have over the last several days have been harassing me. Going into my replies, going into my posts and basically just bitching and complaining. So I'm like, OK, hey, you know what? I'll open up a space, come on in and tell me why I'm wrong and you're right. OK. And when I do, what do you know they haven't showed up? So, I mean, we'll wait. We'll wait. It's still pretty early. So... Really interesting. Even what you have to say because I have... I read Play Do for the first time. Like I have read, like for example, the Chicago, the English... I'm not English, I'm a Spanish. So, man... Did you see the eclipse? Actually, no. From the place where I lived, there was no eclipse. So it wasn't whole Spain, it was just far... Right, right, right. It was just like Barcelona all the way to... Galina. Yeah, yeah. So, I'm in the south, so nope. Oh, I have to leave. Hey, that's good. Hopefully you're doing OK because I heard about what's going on over there. It's not pretty. Yeah. No, because they're worse. They are all going... Well, I don't think you're American, right? You're... You're a pianist. You know what I mean. Yeah, no, look, I know the goings-ons over there in the old country. So I'm not Spanish, but I keep tabs on what's going on in Europe. It can help it. But yeah, this is mostly just a theology, philosophy, space. Try to keep the politics to a minimum just because I'd like to save it. You know, did I know full well that some of these guys... Look, I've been criticizing the historical figure of Plato for years. And one of the things that these guys will do is just straight up mass report anything, you know, just to take it down. So, I mean, I've had that one of my posts. So Richard Spencer was essentially saying that Homer was anti-white. Okay. So his Iliad and Odyssey was anti-white, apparently. And so... Which is weird. What's the case? Because of the troyons, I don't know. Like they have Cyphebony. I don't know. I mean, your guess is as good as mine. But when this guy... When he posted that, I made a comment. And it was a funny meme, you know, it was who could be behind this post. And it was Plato with the arms clasped and stuff like that. And he, he, haha, it's funny. These guys decided to mass report my channel for that, saying that it was hate speech. So yeah. Oh, we got one. So thank you, Ignis, for coming up. You can still have the mic if you want. All right, bye. But I'm going to invite a good old friend. S is good to see you again. By the way, there's no heart feelings about the last debate. I think you did pretty well. And it wasn't his fault. I mean, it was... He just got in the plate-nism. So, you know, it's... It wasn't fair. But he did pretty good. In spite of that, though. Illyria, say, I just sent you a mic. So, if you want, come on up. I'm up to hear from you. Or is he waiting for reinforcements? Maybe. We'll see. I'm not inspirational from the one, maybe. No, no, no, I don't think so. No, he, look, he's not a bad guy. S is not a bad guy. Hello, can you hear me? Hey, what's happening? S, how's it going? It's been a minute. Yeah, I forgot what your handle is on Telegram. Pagan Revivalism? Oh, okay. Yeah, how's it going? Yeah, good. So, in case you don't know, right, this is kind of more for the video projects that I have. And stuff like that, whereas the Pagan Revivalism stuff is going to be more for the podcast. And I'm going to do both at the same time. So it just felt right to pursue different avenues with different channels. I thought so at the time. Okay, so would you want to discuss? Oh, yeah, man. So what's the deal with church of poito, guys? The platonic bath? Yeah, well, I mean, whatever they call themselves. Well, what do you mean what's the deal? Well, I mean, over the last few days, guys have been, you know, straight up like, you know, spam posting on my, on my post, trying to get my attention. So, where are we? Something's going on. So, I'll just ask directly. I don't know anything about that. Like the discord we just talk about Platonism. I just see post pop up that other Platonist respond to. And so I just respond to them. I don't know if it's experiencing like extra traffic. Yeah, there's been. There's surges of debates that happen here and there. It couldn't have been because of the defector, right? The defector? Yeah. I mean, one of your guys. I mean, that calls the surge of debate. I mean, one of your guys got mad and you kind of left. And you know, look, things happen. Okay, if one of my guys, you know, got mad and left. You know, I'm not going to like say, he'll know, look at these guys. You know, because that's stupid. But when your guys attack me. For somebody getting mad, one of your guys getting mad at you, that's a little strange, right? Well, like I said, like I don't know who's attacking you or what guys came to comment on your ex. I didn't even know. Ethan a couple, a couple free masons. Yeah, I know, I know Ethan. What I'm saying is I didn't know what your account even was. I literally just saw your post today. I just responded to it because that's what people do on X. They just debate. It's fun. Fair enough. Okay. So I mean, hey, man, sorry that you're feeling attacked. I just. No, no, no, no, not at all. Like look, man, it's the internet. You got to have thick skin. Okay. And I know that these guys, not you. Okay, because you're cool. I mean, I've interacted with you before. But there are some of these guys who get really, really mad and really, really upset because I critique a historical figure from 2,400 years ago. And then they feel like they have the right to lie about me, to attack my channel and all sorts of things because I criticize a historical figure. 2000 years ago, I think that that's part of my practice. I'm not talking about people attacking you. Like you got to talk to those people because I don't know. I know you're part of the crew, right? Yeah, I don't, but I don't know what drama you guys are having. I'm part of the platonic. I mean, you could just ask, you could just ask them polite read to stop. Look here and ask them yourself. I don't even know what's the title of the space. What's the title of the space? Come on and play this, but you respond to all you. Yeah. We respond to the discussion we're having on the one that's how we were going to do about metaphysics or something. If you want to do that. Okay, but how about just invite someone like Eric Lawson or Ethan Owl to this space right now. You can tell them yourself. You're at your grievances. Okay, then I'm like, like I said, I'm all equanimous. So like, I'm like, why do you think I open up the space? Yeah, but like, you kind of just ambush me here. I thought we're talking about metaphysics here. You got to answer for your crew. Why are you guys attacking me? Like, I don't know what's happening. I don't know. I don't even know who you are other than the telegram guy debated like. Oh, I mean, I know generally about you guys, you know, you're the focus. They get so called like, I don't stock. We don't we're not coordinating attacks on this court. Well, I mean, it's it's hard. I mean the discord. There's no one like, although he posted this on X everybody attack it. It's not happening. We're talking about. It's a bit of a, yeah, well, anyway, I mean, I'll talk about metaphysics, but if you want to talk about grievances, invite them because I am also. Not really type to engage in like these like more fair. It's not really my thing. Sure. I like debates. So I can't. I know. And like I said, when you first came in, I said that you're a cool guy. I've interacted with you before. But I was just asking because you're in that crew. You know, why all the sudden out of nowhere am I constantly getting attacked by church of play do guys? So if you don't know, you don't know and that's fine. Like it doesn't bother. I'm sure there's like a renewed. No disagreement because of. The guy was named. Oh, can you ask names like Wolf, look, it's hell or something like that. Oh, I think. Yeah. Yeah, there was something like that. I like that. agreement with him. Um, that we had in our chat. And it kind of lets go falling out. And I'm sure that led to some. But I'll. Expanded debating and like arguments and stuff like that. But. Um, but also like the baiting isn't even attacking. Like, what are they saying to you? Are they like insulting you? Or are they just saying like, hey, do you have ideas? Disagreement is fair game. Disagreement is fair game. Yeah, disagreement is fair game. But when they say. say things like, for example, I'll give you a great one. I made a post, it was a trap post, I will admit, on Pagan Revivalism page, where I posted a quote from the Epstein emails where it referenced Plato. And then your leader manufactured a fake screenshot saying that there was no search results, for Plato being mentioned in the Epstein emails manufactured a fake screenshot. And then immediately after I posted all of the links with all of the screen caps of all of the emails mentioning Plato, and it's like, why would you be willing to do that? He said, PR lies as often as he breathes, and it's, and manufacturing a fake screenshot. And it looked, I don't care if it's just disagreement, okay. But when you manufacture screenshots, when you constantly, not you specifically, like, when these guys constantly lie and talk shit about me, instead of just talking with me, then of course, I'm going to have a problem with it. Like what if I had a, what if I had a group that was constantly like, what about this? Is he fucking?

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