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And I'm happy to go into a lot of detail about at a microstructure level what it does when you have one of these big liquidation candles
But I would say that's really what set things off and since then the market has been healthy
It's expanded far outside of Bitcoin. I think that what's going on is only loosely based on macro or politics or any of this
I think it's sort of a you know momentum slash relief slash everybody's happy to be making money again
kind of weak so
I think that's pretty much it
And you know the market can get positioned in such a way Kyle sort of brought this to my attention where we were trying to figure out in the event of an AI
Unwind
Which happened with the leopold stuff
But even in the subsequent weeks after where that trade gets a lot less interesting where people think about scaling back risk
What are some of the trades that people had put on to hedge
Their long delta on the AI side. So what does that mean right like you're a trading firm
A lot of people have very simple trading strategies where they say hey, I'm bullish Salana
I'm gonna get long Salana the investor who thinks that he has quite a bit of quite a bit more of alpha
Right says hey, I'm gonna get long Salana and I think actually a theory and will underperform
Relatively now we know in crypto correlations are a bit more difficult as the market isn't necessarily tethered to like sectors or industries or fundamentals at times
And so it can be very dangerous to put on trades like this, but in
Traditional finance the most obvious thing would sort of be hey
You know, I want to I think Uber's a great product and I think lift is shitty and so I'm gonna long Uber short lift
That ended up being a fantastic trade as the market caps of diverge
Considerably since they had their sort of private market funding rounds in their subsequent IPOs and so
We were trying to think about what assets are on the side
Of the short leg to sort of balance out some of the delta's and and we kind of came to the conclusion that maybe Bitcoin had been
Bitcoin had has been an extremely poor performing asset for the past
You know 18 months for the most part really since the election we haven't had you know that much
Interested Bitcoin and then obviously in the later half of 2025 after 1010 the market really never fully recovered
And ever since then it's sort of been a slow bleed down
But it sort of made sense and markets are sort of self reinforcing
You know Soros and descent who you know will direct will dive more into later has a theory of reflexivity
And now we would commonly refer that as momentum
But you know this theory of reflexivity which he talks about is that you know the the more an asset is going up
The more likely it'll go up more sort of these things are self reinforcing
You know the the more bearish people think
Um a certain currency may be the poor the monetary policy that affects into the market then they get you know steeper financing costs
But the important thing about reflexivity that people forget a lot of people quote the momentum side
But he talks about in the Alchemy of finance
Hey the maximal point of opportunity is when everybody thinks a certain way
And that's what happened with Bitcoin recently where everybody was saying oh my gosh, there's quantum risk
This asset is dead this assets a dog gets under performing
Volatility super cheap nobody's even trading this look everybody's left crypto to go trade AI stocks
Even the volumes on hyper liquid show this and
It's tough to do as a human because you're sort of conditioned to
Believe in group think and you're sort of conditioned because it feels safe to agree with the crowd
But if you want completely asymmetric returns and you want to be
Early to trends or you want to have position that is sort of
Uh counter to the masses and that is a trading style you think you would be exceptional at you really have to think about
Am I in the mainstream of thought here which can also be extremely profitable because AI has been the mainstream of thought since
Basically early 2023 whenever GPT launch and if you had just long AI stuff you would be a
fantastically wealthy person
But you know our style of trading is more about extremes and thinking about you know
Where is the maximal point of opportunity and you know
That's what we discussed last Sunday where we we were amazed that you know
Bitcoin calls 520 days out were trading at basically 40% implied volatility and they were pricing a 7% chance that Bitcoin would double in the next 520 days
Which is kind of crazy if you looked at the basis which is the perp funding rate on a lot of these contracts
They were flat in fact sometimes they were going negative pal on Bitcoin where you were basically being paid to long Bitcoin because short
Bitcoin via perp was such a crowded trade and so you know when you add all of these factors you can still be wrong right it was probably
Maybe less likely, but still a very likely probabilistic outcome that Bitcoin could have experienced a significant vol event to the downside could have traded down 20% right and so
You know, it's not that
Necessarily, you know, we're geniuses or that you know, we're the best traders in the world
We don't claim that at all. It's just this is kind of tactically where where we excel
And so yeah, and you know things get crowded right it's very easy to enter a trade especially when everybody wants to take it
Which is you know sort of shorting Bitcoin compressing volatility, but once a lot of people want out the exit to or get smaller and smaller
Imagine people running out of the theater, right
You know when you walk into the movie theater that that doorway feels really large
But if there's a hundred bodies all trying to move in the same way and sort of panicking at the same time
the space gets kind of tight and so
And plus people know that and then they'll try and sort of trade against it. So anyways
This is sort of how we were thinking about BTC back to
Fed policy call what's been happening with rates we talked a little bit about it
Last week, but give me a little update on on what happened in the intervention
right so so rates have been backing up what that means is that the yield that is paid basically for for government debt is
Getting higher and higher so that is if you buy government
If you buy government debt
You get more yield, but it also means that when the government sells that when the issue new debt
It becomes expensive for them because they have to pay more yield
And it's kind of like the market telling you that they're not as interested in the debt as they were before
And that in order for them to be interested the market clearing price is getting more favorable towards the holders of the debt
And less favorable towards the issue of the debt and so the government hates us, right? They have a lot of it
so when the cost of issuing debt goes up this is bad for them and
Uh, it gets bad for them in in reflexive ways because as their expenses on debt interest goes up
The creditworthiness of the government or the the willingness of people to lend to them goes down
And so a lot of bad things come together
Now the government has been running what's referred to as a deficit which is quite simple
It just means they spend more than they make for a while
Um, it has gotten particularly bad since covid we had enacted a bunch of policies that never really got undone
Um, this is something that i think people have been very concerned about because
It is not uncommon for a nation like the us to run a deficit
But typically if you look through in history it happens in two different kinds of scenarios
One is like you're at war and it doesn't matter
It's like a temporary thing and you have to win a war
And the other time is that you're battling a deeper session
Which is that things have temporarily halted and there's mass unemployment and you really need to step in and smooth things over
Um, since covid neither of those have happened like the country has been flourishing
The economy has been great asset prices have been soaring across the board
And we're still running these big deficits in fact july was the largest
Single-month deficit that we had run since like i think it was the summer of 2021 so like proper proper covid times
And
What's really squeezing things here is that every big tech company you've ever heard of
Is issuing tens of billions of dollars of debt right they're all trying to finance AI
They've all run out of their own cash flow to finance it with
And they're going out to the market and they're borrowing money space x is going out and issuing huge debt
Google did metadid amazon did
Intel did sk hynics is issuing equity like all of these guys are going out and and doing massive massive massive issuance
And it's all what's referred to as you know corporate credit
It's competing basically for the same dollars that buy government debt
And so now you've got a limited pool of fixed them and come investors
And they're all saying look if all of you guys want to get funded you're going to have to pay us more favorable prices
It forces government rates to back up and so the treasury is getting very concerned
They they did what's
We're referred to as a twist
The twist means that they are attempting to change the compensate or the the composition of how they issue their debt
So they're saying look like we issued some really shitty like 20 30-year bonds
Turns out the there's isn't a ton of appetite in the world to buy 20 or 30-year bonds on the US government
One of their biggest holders Japan is kind of doing some they're having some issues and we're willing to like support their currency just on the off chance that they buy more of our debt
Um and and now we're gonna start issuing more short short term debt in order to issue less long term debt
And all of these things are making the bond investors very nervous this is
It may seem subtle, but this to a bond investor seems like very erratic very like skitzo behavior
Right, this is not something that like a country or or a treasury in a position of strength that be doing
And so what ended up happening for the crypto markets to sort of bring this back to crypto
Is that when this last announcement happened it in bolden somebody god knows who
To take a massive bitcoin long on spot and they said look like this could be any number of people right?
There's been a lot of guys who have come out and
Been doxed as these massive macro funds that take these big positions
Paul Tudor Jones being among them Stanley Drucken Miller being another
And they could very easily read the morning paper and say like fuck it call up their guy and say buy me two billion dollars at bitcoin this afternoon
And whoever it was basically forced the mass liquidation but they were
Um emboldened to do this like they got the confidence to take a trade like this because of what's going on in macro almost certainly
No, that's that's very well put um
It's sort of
Interesting that you know the way that a lot of people think about markets
In terms of you know bit as spread and it's very orderly and there's a bunch of market makers and a bunch of venues
debt especially sovereign debt is far different
Like this is not an orderly market at all. This is a very a liquid
Very strange highly regulated market and so
Fedon Prevention is unusual they have a lot of tools in the toolkits. I believe they only
Intervene for the tune of about four billion to sort of signal to the market that hey we're willing to do more
And the goal is to get rates down um the goal is to get long in rates down and again
Guys just because the short-term interest rate
May
Get slammed down and there may be cuts does not mean that long-term interest rates may react the same way
You can see big divergences in the yield curve and so
Okay, but why is this relevant for us um
You know the the dream of Bitcoin and we're gonna take a step back and sort of talk about
You know the the asset itself like a lot of people have looked at Bitcoin as a risk on asset
A common thing that gets cited by like trader friends of mine that are in tradfire like when I go play in a poker game
They kind of say like oh look at the correlation between Tesla and Bitcoin
You know, it's like one to one. It's like okay. Yeah pretty risk on assets Tesla also sort of
Devoid of fundamentals to some extent more just the Elon premium
I don't mean that in a negative way Elon is probably one of the best capital allocators of all time and
You know they sort of say oh, it's a risk on acid and so but
Yes, and no right
Bitcoin and the reason why I
Purchased and owned Bitcoin in the past prior to having a real
Understanding of trading and market mechanics was I wanted a way to opt out of the financial system
During the administration of 2012 to 2016. I saw a lot of spending
I saw a lot of things happening. I saw the deficit going in the wrong direction
And I was very young at the time, but I was like this asset makes sense to me
Because it's a way for me to just opt out and
There's Bitcoin the risk on asset and there's also Bitcoin the
literal tangible
Escape hatch from the modern financial system and this isn't like a bull post
This isn't saying that everybody should own a ton of Bitcoin. I think that
Funnily enough when you understand expected value if Bitcoin is going to go to tens of millions of dollars
Sort of the really hardcore Bitcoin
Extremist think then
Ironically, it's fine as one percent of your portfolio
There's really no difference if Bitcoin is going to like 100 x in a year or something or or 1000 x in you know a year or two years
theoretically the value of you holding
You know one percent or ten percent or fifty percent is very similar because at that point
You're kind of denominating in something else
And so you know
There are a lot of end games where you know Bitcoin is extremely interesting
Bitcoin as an asset right now is probably
The cleanest way other than oil to