Were the Founding Fathers Woke Right?

I'm sure you've seen more than just that, but those are usually the three common things that certainly I did accuse of. One of them I don't actually care about them and I literally have post-liberal in my bio, but it's really funny when you see John Jay or Goovyn or Morris being accused of being anti-constitutional. Who knew that the man who wrote the preamble, that the Constitution actually hated the document? So, yeah, that's what we're going to talk about today. Thanks for, thanks for hopping on this space. How you doing? I can't hear you. S-Ting, testing. Hello, am I coming through? Yes, there you are. I can hear you. Awesome. Yeah, you had said earlier that it was the man who wrote the preamble. Well, it wasn't even just that. It was the preamble itself. I got another person who goes by, I think, Shane, good karma or something, is that? And I quoted the literal preamble to him as this is what the Constitution is for. Literally, just outlined that. And then he again responded with his own thing and then that sent him into this insane spiral where he's now making AI depictions of the both of us. Being beaten by a cow with a rolling pin that has the Constitution on it while we're in stocks. It's absolutely deranged behavior. I don't know if you've seen this. I can throw it up on the jumbo trams, so everyone knows what we're talking about. If you give me one moment. Yeah, I did see it. Good friend of my John Rose actually tagged me in a discord server that we're in. Well, it's actually his server. But he was like, oh, look, here you go. Two of my favorite friends on X, sir. It is actually kind of funny how he also did it like an AI depiction of yours. And it just made you look so badass. Like leaning back in your chair with like the books and stuff like that. I don't know why he keeps making these things. Yeah, he's literally just making me look good. I'm struggling to find how to throw this up on the jumbo trams for some reason. Just give me one moment. But yeah, no, it's an absurdity. He's literally just making me look good. And then I have done this to him over and over and over again of just quoting them to the point where like it's hardly even fun anymore because he's like these people are so ridiculous about this that they can't even understand that when they're trying to stand on the founding fathers is if you look in the comments at least, I've thrown this post up. But you can see here like in these, you know, like sick twisted mind. He's put Washington Jefferson, Madison, Franklin, and Hamilton as judges over the both of us about to be beaten with the Constitution while we're in stocks. And meanwhile, he's the one who has with several of these men and I could get him with every single one if I really wanted to. He has said that every single one of them and would say that every single one of them is like a woke white post liberal Nazi whatever word he throws out for it. Like they speak in these weird pejoratives that again, if you understand these people because I've just interacted with this through my time, there tend to be followers of James Lindsay. And if you know the kind of language that he speaks in, they end up just speaking in the same like James Lindsay as them. They'll repeat the same things. They couldn't explain any of these things. They couldn't explain what post liberalism is. They can't even explain what constitutionalism is. They can't explain what any of these beliefs are, but it's their feelings really that get hurt. And they don't like the way it makes them feel when they hear these various things, when they hear things that they don't like when they hear things that even if it's spoken by a founder, if it contravenes how they feel America should be, then they hate it and then they despise it. So it's been fun to just put this on display over and over and over again with these people. But at a certain point, it's like, is do we even keep going? Do we even keep doing this to them? Like we probably do this forever. You could probably say that at some point you're beating a dead horse, but I mean, it's kind of worth driving the point home though if you think about it because I mean, I called them, I had to, I might share it. I had to tweet the other day about this phenomenon because I've done it with other people, not just this shame person. You and I have both done this to insurrection Barbie like repeatedly. I did it to who was the other guy, Mikhail Olsen, I think was his name. The guy that keeps tagging my friend Nick Freitas and every single one of his posts like he's tattling on my father, which is really funny. I mean, Nick's just a long time friend of mine. And he seems to be, he's literally trying to get you fired from your job. Yeah. Let's be honest. That is literally what he's trying to do. That's exactly what he's doing. But he has no idea the type of friendship that I have with Nick. Like, I mean, I knew Nick before he was famous before anybody knew who he was. I was the guy that got him to run for office in the first place. You know, I knew him at this point now 14 years. So I mean, it's going to take a lot to to sever that friendship and some random idiot on the internet pointing out that, you know, I disagree with him is not going to blow up a long time friendship like that. But it is really funny seeing him do that. Like, you know, it's, it's really ironic that all these guys will say that they're railing against the friend enemy distinction, right? That's like the big, you know, again, you were talking about bad words or phrases, right? Like that's, you know, that's kind of the pinnacle of them. And yet they are masters of identifying who the enemies are and doing everything they possibly can to destroy them to include canceling them, trying to get them fired, trying to get them de-platformed. You know, I saw that piece from Eric Erickson calling Charles Haywood and Neil Nazi, right? Like, I mean, and then all their platforms that promoted some of his essays. Like, what was it? The, uh, Nick Sollheim's group. I can't remember their name off the top of my head. But point is that like these guys all have this tactic, right? Which is effectively applying the friend enemy distinction only towards the actual right, while denying that it exists because the guy who wrote it gives them the bads, basically, right? It makes them feel bad. And in service of their, you know, what I'd call the right hand of progressivism, which is what these people actually are, they will constantly invoke the founding fathers, which is different than the left hand of progressivism, right? Which denigrates the founding fathers, tries to tear down statues to them. We all remember that from 2020. But these guys will invoke the founding fathers. But the second that you point out that the founding fathers would fundamentally disagree with their post 1960s progressive worldview that they're actually trying to conserve. Uh, suddenly they'll turn around and call you Wokeright, you know, post liberal, anticonstitutional, anti-American. And then the moment you point out that you're actually just quoting them verbatim, right? Oh, actually, I'm, I'm, you know, you just read off a direct quote from a founding father and I just swapped around the name's Englishman and Frenchman for Indian and Mexican. Well, I mean, suddenly they have no answer, right? Like it just, it completely destroys the, the propaganda tool that they rely on in order to get what they want. And the propaganda tool is appealing to the founding, but not for the sake of the founding, not for the sake of say heritage Americans, they're appealing to the founding to preserve a post 60s progressive project. That's the best way I can describe it. No, and you're completely correct on, they, they will literally extend as far out left word as you can imagine. Again, one of these people that I was, I was arguing with, I had said, we should probably denaturalize and deport Zora on Momedani because it's insane to let this man who is not an American who has sworn in oath of loyalty that he does not believe for one second, um, who is actively doing what he can to build this city up to direct it against people who he does not like, which is, you know, the white American population. He has made that explicitly clear in his pop and in his policies. He's literally said we are going to take wealth from the wider portions of New York and we are going to redistribute it to the more diverse like that is in his policies, that is what he is doing. That person should not be tolerated as part of the country and should be denaturalized and important. I think that that's not a very crazy statement to make. I made that to these people and they literally like will say, so you hate the Constitution. So you hate America because you want to do this. They will stand and defend the furthest left people imaginable and say these people should never be removed. They should be, you just got to beat them in the marketplace of ideas. Of course with us, they don't engage in the marketplace of ideas at all. I would actually really like some of them to literally just come on and have a conversation. I'm resorted to this tactic because they will not have conversations and so that the only thing that I am left with is to just embarrass them entirely. That's all I have because they cannot actually speak in anything. They just talk in polonics. They just jacket you with all of these different terms. I'm not an integralist. I'm not a post-liberal, I have classical liberal in my bio. I mostly have that because I actually really do love the enlightenment. I love the founding fathers. I love the ideals of this country was built on. In fact, what motivates me so much with these people is that I think that a lot of the reason why you have so many young men who are deciding that I don't think that America had good foundations or they'll say there's the seed of liberalism that was there that manifested into what we have today and so we should reject it all. I met a lot of guys that run with that line of thinking and I think that there's a significant number of them where it's literally just because the defenders of this, the people that they encounter are ridiculous, are going to do the things that we have shown where they're going to stand on the founders when they know literally nothing that these men say. They know literally nothing of this country's history. They don't know what they're talking about or defending but they will brow beat everyone as un-American if you don't agree with them. So that naturally leads people to be turned off by these things, to not want to hold to these things. These are things that matter a lot to me. I've always loved my history, my country. I've said this multiple times but one of the big moments that the canon event of my life was getting handed a book by CS Forester on the Barbary Pirates. When I think I was still in elementary school and I read this thing back to front over and over again and I absolutely loved it. Even from a very early on, I fell in love with this time period, this era of our history of the early foundations. I just came across where it was very evident to me that the conservative circles that I grew up in, where I've always been a diet in the wool family of Republican voters who would listen to Rushlin Bonn, the radio as they drove me around to various places. And I just grew up on that and that's what I was a part of. But it seemed very clear to me that some of the things that I started to come across as I just did these reads into the history, it seemed to contradict some of the ideas that they had in terms of America and what it was and what it was founded as. Especially when you come across things like, you know, explain the immigration and naturalization act of 1790. There's a lot to that. There's so many other things that you can point to, but it becomes really clear that this mythos of America always being this propositional nation will, it's not really quite that simple. Yeah. I mean, I think it's really funny when these people will effectively say, no, we can't de-naturalize the Iran-Mondaymean to board him or we can't de-naturalize and de-port as son-piker. Or we can't, you know, who was that woman in New York state at the state level that is about to get elected to the state legislature there who basically said New York and America deserve 9-11 and the worst thing that came out of 9-11 was the Islamophobia directed against my family. Like, none of these people are Americans. They don't belong in my country. They don't belong in the most important city in my country. And yet when you say the obvious that like, no, this country actually isn't big enough for the two of us in terms of competing symbolizational blocks and happening the same pulleys. These people will then turn around the so-called classical liberals, right, that the James Lindsey types to a slightly lesser degree, the Joel Barry types, although I'm increasingly running out of patience with him too. And then, you know, they're kind of no-name followers, the ones that you and I've been interacting with, the Macayles, the Shane's, the insurrection Barbies, they'll come along and say like, no, no, no, no, no. We can't be national like these people. That goes against the Constitution. Like you said, it's the whole, we need to engage in the marketplace of ideas. I'm going to defend to the death, their constitutional right to seek to destroy my country. But then the moment that you were I come along, or, you know, really anybody, it's not just you or I, right, the moment somebody to their right comes along and basically points out the inherent contradiction to their worldview. No, suddenly they turn the guns on those people, right? It's no longer about the marketplace of ideas. It's, we're going to get you fired. We're going to do everything we can to get you fired, to get you canceled and de-platformed, to morally excommunicate you, to associate you with again, all of the bad guy movements, you know, the 20th century, or the sole purpose of morally delegionizing you. There's no marketplace of ideas. There's no debate. There's no discourse. I mean, you can ask Dave Greenness. He did a debate with Joel Barry about a year and a half ago. Early after Trump's inauguration back in February.