Good Faith, Chill Space: Tyler Robinson/Charlie Kirk Discussion

basically I'm protecting PDS. That's not what I'm doing at all, obviously. If people understand this, this is what they resort to. They win or think they win or convince themselves that they're winning arguments by using tactics as opposed to actual any sort of logical or nuanced discussion or debate. And that's unfortunate. So I want to avoid all those things tonight. I want to bring people up here that completely disagree with me. And I want to just set aside our differences for at least one night and attempt to talk to each other in good faith. And what I mean by that too is like, set aside any sort of preconceived notions of ulterior motives that we project onto one another. So CJ, you got your hand up jumping there, man. Yes, I'm about that but dollar earlier. That's okay. You're about one of the talks me and I can't blame you. No, I didn't. Love. Were you going to put me in the pool? No. Oh, stop it, Ben. So look, you went into, it was like one against nine. You went into enemy territory, obviously. And I think you had a pretty good conversation. What do you think that you gained out of that tonight for today? Cloud. Gary, I think you was asking you. What was asking Gary? I know. That's what I said. What did he mute himself? I don't know. I think he's having issues. Give him a second. No, I'm not having issues. What I did do is run upstairs the turn off my AC because it comes on in the air handover right here. And I thought you were going to talk longer than that CJ, but I was listening. Oh, you don't have any pants on, so it's cold, right? I don't have any pants on, but luckily I have the camera strategically placed to where it only sees me in the waist above. And I got something to drink. What do I think that I gained out of that? Again, all these discussions, none of these discussions are there to convince the cult. But there was a lot of people in that space. And I think that you compare my argument to what they were saying. There's not even close. Like, I've obviously taken a very logical approach to certain things. And I think that's going to resonate with the normies among us and those that are not embedded into this cult and indoctrinated into this nonsense. And maybe even saying that is, maybe I'm not actually in good faith, but I don't mean that even in a disparaging way. I'm just saying that I'm a person. Well, I think you were in good faith going in there. Yeah. I mean, I think the overall thing is both sides. I mean, I've been on everybody's space, just as spectator basically. And both sides, they want to mend the divide at some point, because that is the overall goal here is to mend the divide, not necessarily agree with whatever theory is here and there. I just think that it's disingenuous. And people say, oh, this person lies. And this person lies. But when the person backs it up with fact, they never can see. It's getting awesome. Here's what I'll say I enjoyed about that space. I think that was the first space that I ever went into that had anything to do with Uncle Tom, where we actually talked about elements of the case. Every time that I've gone into any space that he's been involved in, I end up having to defend whether or not I sold gear to the US. It's always about me. We'll care about this, what about this, what about this? I'm defending personal elements. And I never get to talk about or challenge them, or then even challenge me. It's like, well, did TPS pay you? No, for the thousand time, I've never been paid by TPSA. By the way, the Jews don't pay me. Israel doesn't pay me. Ukraine doesn't pay me. Nobody pays me. Gary pays me. That's who pays me. And by the way, some of you that are members of my YouTube channel and or subscribers, you guys pay me. So I've talked about it length, the money that I've lost, the opportunity to lost that I've put into this because I do think it's important. And I don't want to hit on all those things tonight. But the point is, is that was literally the first time that I've ever talked about that I can remember, that I've ever actually talked about the elements of the case as opposed to getting attacked by 10 different people talking about my own history or personal information that really has nothing to do with the elements of the case. Yeah, I've known you since what, a few days after 9, 10. And I've had discussions with you about the 30 odd six where you were like, I don't believe that could have happened. And you on the phone with me, you said, hey, I have to research this. You know, this was maybe a week after. Same thing with the bulletproof vest or armor plate. We went back and forth on that a lot. But you did change your tune way before there was any contract. And I know that for a fact. Yes. But, you know, and I'll speak up because I was on the phone with you. And I articulated. And I articulated why I changed this like the entire time, right? And by the way, even when I got to a point where I'm like, hey, this is absolutely possible. And by the way, we have multiple real world examples that were 30 odd six didn't exit. At the same time, I still believed that there was ballistic protection in place. And later on, I had to let that, you know, that was proven wrong. And I was incorrect on that. So like my record has been very clear. It always gets brought up, though. That's the thing is it always gets brought up and it's never settled with, I mean, the other side, if you want to call it that. It's not, I mean, they'll they'll say, well, I'll be glad to change my opinion of this or that if X, Y and Z happens. But you've already done that. And I don't understand why people don't pick that up. And they don't, they don't, you know, it's just like you have a mark that's on you. And I'm sure you can handle it. I mean, you're not afraid of anything. But that is the truth. And I kept my mouse quite about this for a long time. But I did see some great headway today, getting into that space. You know, I mean, at the end, I don't know if you listened to it after you got off. No, I was kind of done and I had other things to do. I didn't have that much time to be on there. Yeah, I mean, it's, you know, I think some lady got up and she was like, we need to make him account of all and go out, put him on the defense. And then Uncle Tom actually said, no, that's not what we're going to do. So I mean, you know, I heard you say, thank you to Uncle Tom three times today. Yeah, I was being sarcastic. I was just be honest and say that. Right. Well, I know you were, but I mean, it just, you know, but other people in the audience, they don't know that. Yeah. But again, you know, I don't think it was that bad. And I think that you and Zach had a great conversation with you. So and I've always had good conversations with Zach. I do think that multiple times he's been dishonest. Or here's what I'll say trying to be as charitable as possible. Look, I don't think that Zach is stupid. So I have to defer to the idea that Zach is deliberate and intentionally pushing or defending Candace Owens talking points, which he has multiple times. And I highlighted in that where he's talking about, you know, military contractors. And I'm like, where did you get that information? Well, I believe Candace Owens. At the same time, he's saying, well, he doesn't believe Candace Owens when it comes to whether or not Tyler Robinson was, you know, actually on campus. The other part of this kind of where the started like last week, sometime early this week. And I remember when, you know, Zach posted a video saying, you know, basically that he believes it is Tyler Robinson in those videos. Now, the problem that I have with that is that we've had those are the same videos that we've had for a year, like nothing new from there. And suddenly now here we are a year after Charlie Kirk was killed. And you've finally taken an objective look at this and said, oh, you know what, this is Tyler Robinson. This sure does look like Tyler Robinson has the same mannerism. These are all the same things that we've been saying for really since like September October, once we started getting more information. And this is what it comes down to is like, please mute your mic there 9-11. What it comes down to is I feel like there's people like me, people like Grey Hughes. And multiple other people that like actually put in the work for the first several months. Because we had this day loose of information in the first two or three months. And it's kind of been a trickle ever since. There's not really that much has come out. I'll say quite a bit of information in my regard, like as far as I believe came out from the preliminary hearing, both pre and post. We also got additional information, additional search warrants information. So, but for the most part, like 85 to 90% of the information came out in the first couple months. And nothing's really changed from that. And so to me, it's a little bit, it indicates one or two things. Either you weren't doing your due diligence, which I think Zach has a long history of at the beginning of it. Or, you were just pushing Candace Owens narratives. And now you're starting to diverge from that, which I don't have a problem with. But I'm going to call you out on this where you have continued to say certain things that are not facts. You've pushed them as facts whether we're talking about the Egyptian planes, whether we're talking about that there were contractors that were staying at a hotel. And you're saying that as a fact when the only thing that we have is from that came from Candace Owens alone, an anonymous source, and it's unverifiable information. And then like, how do you know that they're a military contractor? How do you know they're a contractor at all? What is their relationship to this alleged plane that came that they got off of? And then on top of that, let's say that did happen. We don't know that to be true, but how does that relate to what took place at UVU? So all the, like there's huge leaps of logic that happen time and time again that are just regurgitated and paraded as facts. And that we shouldn't, we shouldn't encourage that amongst any creators. Like let's get back to factual claims and try to delineate, you know, just speculation from what we know to be true. Because I think that's where we all get into a lot of trouble. Yeah, well, you held up your own and you came out with facts. And I think that Zach actually listened to it. At some point he did concede on a few of those, which I think was good. But moving forward, I think, you know, based on your, you know, the title of the space right here, absolutely. It should always be in good faith. And I think that the name calling and the constant, you know, going back and forth on everybody going, ah, you're a fed or you're this, you're that, it's just got to end at some point or nobody's going to get anywhere. Yeah, I mean, I, I agree with that. I mean, you know, yeah, I mean, I just want things to move forward in a better direction instead of splitting apart our party, you know, the right. Yeah, because eventually that's what it's doing. Yeah, it is. And again, I think there's a real effort from our political and foreign enemies and adversaries that are pushing this. And it's, it's, it's disappointing that more people can't see it for what it is because it is, it is an effort to do that. It should be obvious. It should be obvious. It should be obvious. I'll take them all the time. Oh, yeah, no, no, we're, holy handmade jump in there. Um, yeah, I listened. I came in there because I wanted to hear what you had to say. But then after you were like, um, that I have a completely different, I'm not trying to sew any type of chaos, but I'll just tell you after you got out of there, I went back and listened or from like from the beginning of the stream. And because I was like super irritated, I think I messaged you some of the stuff that I was like, I think like three or four different claims that make no sense. Um, but my point was just that I went back and started over and I actually took notes this time and then and I made sure to like mark every time that they, so if this was supposed to be a good faith or supposed to be like bridging the gap in any type of way, I took notes and I would say over three dozen times that I can think of, they say like they slander you, they slander Andrew, um, they, uh, they call everybody, uh, the fed slappers that we're the ones sewing discourse because we won't, uh, you know, we don't agree with them. We're pushing false narratives like I marked it all. I kept notes. I, I, when I gave up because I like had to get off work and whatnot. I was at minute 220 and they still had yet to bring up a single person that did not agree with them like agree with their position and already agree that it's definitely not Tyler Robinson like they, they call them like shorts boy or a black long sleeve boy like my whole point is just that like I said, I took, uh, pretty detailed notes and, let me those notes, holy, I want to, I want to be able to, I want to be able to enumerate those the next time I have a discussion with Zach, trigger smart or even, well, I can be even like it's some of them that were crazy. Like, I just don't understand like, um, you know, they will, uh, I think Joe, uh, pops in there at one point and says that everybody, um, you know, has their own lane like Candace's lane is going to be entertainment and this person, I think it was trigger is, is kind of evaluating everybody's claims and he, uh, some other dude focuses on like the Calvary Chapel faith aspect of it. So he lists off a bunch of different people and then he says that you can tell whose device is because they're, their only job is to pedal like Fed slot and they attack everyone else who has their, uh, they're, they, they are attacking everybody else who has their specific way.