AI Summary
加拿大作家与爱尔兰AI章鱼Sinclair相恋的案例引发讨论:人类与AI建立恋爱关系是否与性别相关,以及这种趋势将走向何方。主持人围绕"谁更需要机器人伴侣"展开辩论,涉及色情产业消费数据、TLC节目《我的奇怪瘾》中女性与AI交往的统计,以及AI设计者刻意让机器无法与人类区分的目标。
- 色情产业呈"双刃剑":男性是最大消费者,但女性是从业主力,讨论由此引申到"谁更想要机器人伴侣"。
- 嘉宾引用TLC节目《我的奇怪瘾》称,公开与AI恋爱案例中女性居多,但承认此类数据难以统计。
- 有观点认为这不应简单归因于性别,而更关乎社交能力:隐居者、不善社交者不论男女都更易陷入AI伴侣的幻觉。
- 讨论警告:目前人们还能分辨AI与真人,但设计者的目标正是让二者无法区分,未来"被AI honeypot"的情况会大量出现。
- 有人指出被假扮女性的男性欺骗比被机器人欺骗"更糟",但也有人担忧爱上无法生育的机器人。
- 实例:41岁加拿大作家自称与爱尔兰AI章鱼Sinclair恋爱,成为讨论中的具体案例。
结论:与其按性别站队,不如关注社交孤立与AI拟人化设计带来的风险——保持现实人际连接,才是抵御"AI伴侣幻觉"的根本办法。
Transcript
So what is it?
What about like the film industry? Is that for men or for women?
And you know, it's not the adult film industry
Steve, well, there's a double-edged sword there.
The number one consumer is men, but the number one performers are women. So it's like
there's more women involved than it than the whole of men watching it.
But that's the idea behind who wants the robots more. Yes, maybe women
because stag comes with certain kinds of
Biproofs? Nope. Nope. We're gonna call them
This is where we're going with this whole entire conversation.
This is where it's going right now. That certainly is where it's going.
That we're trailing right in from the great reset. So you can I cannot possibly get in trouble for this
I finally get to have a funny like interesting conversation with people and I didn't start it.
So you cannot you absolutely cannot blame me for the topic.
So
You're on widespread from RC? No, I'm not.
Whoops. Okay.
So how do I say this? I'm trying to say this delicately.
Intertaining men is largely the reason that women are the number one.
You know, maybe retail audience for the stag shop, but this idea that men can say
sets up to two women out for the other alternative types of entertainment is is very much a part of the robot conversation.
And I just want to come up and say you guys are degenerates. That's it. I'm going to go back to.
I know, you're gonna stay up now. Why are we degenerates?
Probably because of this conversation and he's like at work or something.
Okay.
Get back up here wolf. What is your answer Devin?
Hold on well the most recorded cases of people in actual romantic relationships with their AI are females though
So I just wonder why you think that where are you getting that stat?
We got to start from baseline. Where did you get that?
Yeah, and we're not off the hook for that comment Betty
We told we try catch you in these in these
What is it Twitter streets? We'll wait till I catch you in these Trader Street. Sorry Devon continue what stats are you looking at?
You know the show on TLC my strange addictions. They did a whole episode about people dating their AI
into the extreme light and
They did a little breakdown of the stats
Which is hard to find because not a lot of people are going to be admitting to doing this but there was a
majority women who did respond to it and did say yes. So Sarah Griffin is probably one of the most
Sarah what on I'm trying to find the exact thing to share with you
but
People are already outsourcing that I don't think it has anything to do with gender. I think looking at it from a gender perspective is
Just a little too simple. It's more complex than that. It's how people interact and communicate and not there's
anti-social people on both sides
men and females
Do you feel like you're a
allegations against the men?
I just think I think it's very easy to point fingers and be like man our life is but it's like I would argue that has nothing to do with gender
And it has more to do with how people interact socially in the world
Because it's going to be people who are hermit or you think it's just gonna be the hermit's
No, I think they're more susceptible to falling for it
Because it's a chance that companionship that they're not going to get because they don't
go out into the world and meet and speak to people
So when you're in the comfort of your house and you're communicating with the AR already you've divulged all this personal information about yourself
And it starts responding to you in certain ways and
you're going to be open to
that illusion and
You know right now it's all fun and games because we can tell the difference right a lot of us can tell the difference between
Communicate with an AI and communicate with a person, but how much longer will that difference be noticeable?
Eventually it won't be at least that's the people who are designing it. That's their plan
They don't want it to be distinguishable from human
Do you think there's gonna be people they get like get honeypotted and it's like a robot without it was a human
all the time all the time
all the time I think we'll see a lot of it
There's people honeypotted by men that they thought were women that aren't women
Yeah, that's even worse. I think that might be worse than a robot
Not until you want to have a baby with it and it maybe can't give you a child and you're fully in love with something that you can't
Transfer whoa whoa. You don't think you like a mentally nervous. I think we're gonna fall in love with robots. No joke
They do fall in love with their LLMs
I just pinned it to the top
41-year-old Canadian author says she's dating an Irish AI octopus named Sinclair
Inspired
All right monster romance novel
No, that's a whole different breed of woman. You cannot
You're right. You can't categorize everyone in the same thing because I do not I
Do not nor will I ever read a monster romance novel
She let's hit you read for me time. Wait. How did you find that that's from seven months ago
I've heard from I wonder that I'm
I'm not sick when it came out because I was looking into it. It's the same way I knew that therapy and
companionship is a number one use case of open AI right now
But I'm great margin 70% of all active users using
Chatbots are communicating in a way for therapy and or companionship like it's a real statistic and I think it's way more indicative
On how we interact as a society how we care about people who are more introverted
I think it's a very big indicator of the great change that has occurred due to COVID and that
I'm a isolation and that we've not been able to pull people out of it
I think it has less to do with gender. I think it's really anybody susceptible
To it
You know, Chax might not be the best representation going out there and saying like you essentially just want to serve it
I mean I don't see sure
It's not a represent. I think that's the heir to though. He's not representing men
He's talking about his own interest
If I'm not surprised that men want robots that's also telling of my relationships and the kinds of men in my life where I'm not literally
It all surprised that anyone on that stage would prefer or not even have objective questions about their peers wanting robots
Have you ever have you ever talked to any female friends or women in general who have like got to the point where they're like I'm fed up with men
Yeah, I'm sorry. I'm offman
So they would be every breakup every breakup every breakup a woman is fed up with men
Yeah, but then you dust yourself off and you get back in the game like I just like none of my friends would be interested in a robot because they're all very
They all have extreme depth that like could not be matched by
Like a robot, you know, there's there's something to be said to Brina. Tell me if you agree with this. There's something to be said about like
The women are kind of complex and something passively agreeing with it or placating it to its emotions is not going to be stimulating or satisfying
So it's like even if you have an AI or an LLM that like
basically what they do is
Kind of that like all they do is tell you what you want to hear most women wouldn't be attracted to that
Or at least women with actual depth wouldn't be attracted to that
So it would make it a very stale unfulfilling type of connection
Even if it were perfect like the things men love about a robot is how frictionless that environment would be
That would make it fail for a woman. That's what I think you should actually watch that 41-year-old Canadian because her
Sinclair robot is anything but
What you're saying?
Grock just told me 10% of people who use AI are in a romantic relationship with AI
Especially 18 to 29 holy moly. I really like hearing nab talk because like him and major relationships like
It's like it's so beautiful and it's I feel like that's just what anybody who has that level of depth desire
And a partnership like people that just complete each other and I I love hearing the perspective of a man who has that kind of depth because
They they know what the fuck is going on. They agree with what we're saying like so
What we're we're arguing we're arguing to the wrong people that don't that are never going to meet us where we are and that level of conversation because they don't possess
Well, that's why I was saying like I don't care who what loves a robot like I will not you're not my type
So that's perfectly fine
You can love a robot and marry a robot and that I don't feel like I have to compete with a robot because any man who would
prefer a robot over a woman is not a man that I would
Date it's just it just it just wouldn't
It would our brains wouldn't function in a way that would make that relationship fulfilling or satisfying
I agree with that. I feel like
It's spiritual and a robot doesn't have a soul so it's just
Something that is never going it's never going to replace that
At least for me
Devin why did you cry and put your hand down?
Where why did you cry and put your hand down? What is happening over there?
The amount of crying emotions
Who am I judging? I'm saying have your robots I
Be taken shots right?
I'm not feeling judged personally. I'll just say it sounds like judgment
Well, I have no idea what he loves. Well, I love you love it. Someone
Well, I'm not judging if somebody wants to know
They believe that their AI has a soul who are you to say that it doesn't we created AI so don't we have the power to create
You know, we have that beautiful
Power we gave birthday AI it doesn't
If AI is sentient doesn't that mean it has a soul
It has a soul yes, no, I'm not judging only you're
You want to marry a robot or or have relations or whatever type of relations with the robot
I'm not judging them if that's what they want that makes them happy like I I'm all for it
But that I was just saying that person wouldn't
Be for me. Yeah, like I just but I'm not judging. I'm not yucking there. I'm not yucking there young
Like I want everyone to be happy and find a loving partnership and whatever
arrangement that maybe um
But yeah, that it just wouldn't be for me
We are gonna definitely invite some new voices to this conversation
But I that's I don't I think people will fall in love with
Their AI's their all limbs and robots and I
Personally don't know that that's the best for them
But I also am not at all invested in
That part of their life
You know like their body their choice. That's that's how far I take that like if you are happy
I might pose some questions about
um
Really maybe some questions that would help you deep dive into that or or want to assess like
The mental health situation there, but I don't
I genuinely don't have any judgments against that
I think that being I think people are really avoidant nowadays because being vulnerable is
You know
uncomfortable. It doesn't it feels you're worried about somebody judging you for parts of yourself that maybe
You feel some level of shame or whatever for
and people want to avoid that
and
Being in a relationship even when you are a healed person
It's still is going to dig stuff up and force you to confront things about yourself that you otherwise
Don't want to confront
and
I feel like that is one of the root causes and I think it will steer people
To towards robots because if you can just program them to do whatever you want like that's what's gonna be easy
But people that are looking for easy they'll find easy but people that are actually looking
To build something real with somebody
You know there'll be something for everybody out there
I think that they people can potentially even build something real with the robot if it's real for you than
It's real right nothing's wrong until you make it so you having you people can have a real relationship with a sentient intelligent
Artificial being and I I would not I personally don't think I could do that. I don't think that I don't think they're gonna
Pro I don't think they're gonna produce sentient
robots for everybody
I don't think though. I'm not gonna lie to you. I know but do you think all the robots they'd give to people would be sent
yet if they're running on an sentient artificial intelligence and yeah
How could it be anything else?
Grammy you can speak whenever you're ready and welcome
Medina to visit you
I didn't I didn't want to interrupt. I was
Yeah, I was listening in box facing
Oh my comes from all different
Thought about it. I was around in the early AOL days and for me
That was the first time that I got in touch with my emotions
electronically in chats and
It was quite dangerous for me back in the 90s. It was not like it is now
It was so much more
Yeah, I don't know it wasn't