The Conservative Hour: Speech Under the Microscope

So, I'm here with you all. I know that it's fun. It keeps the moon. It's better. I love you. Good afternoon, everybody. And good morning, depending on where you are. Welcome to the conservative hour. I hope everybody's having a fantastic day. I'm just happy that I can see the sun today because we had a nor Easter and we haven't seen the sun since a thing like Friday. So it was nice to actually see the sun. Today we are talking about speech. Because speech is one of those. It's one of the trickier subjects because a lot of us have different feelings about speech and this term hate speech, which I'm not a big fan of. But I know that there are others that do believe that hate speech exists. So this is really just to see, you know, kind of what everyone's thinking about because these days it really seems like more than ever that speech is under attack. And it's coming from a lot of different people. There are a lot of people that would like to see other shut up. So thought that'd be something that we could talk about. Brother Chris, how are you doing today? Good morning, everybody doing great. It's actually raining here. We had a severe flash flooding last night. So you know, a lot of moisture coming in from the Pacific because of the hurricane. So it was pretty nasty. I was driving home from a political fundraiser last night. And it was dropping so much rain I couldn't even see. So it was pretty wild on the topic. Yeah, it should be interesting topic. Like I absolutely believe there was hate speech. But again, it's like one of those terms like racism or home of all the stuff that we heard that just because people like to throw labels around the word loses its meaning from what the real meaning of it is because people like to label everything with whatever bad word they can. So there's definitely hate speech, but it's a little different. There's also free speech. I believe an absolute free speech. But what you say is still even though it's protected under the Constitution, you do. You are up for consequences when you say stupid stuff. So that we get some of the speakers and go from there. Excellent. Key, I was so glad that you're here because I know you have plenty to say about this. Go ahead, brother. Welcome. How are you? I'm good, Nathan. Chris, I appreciate you guys. I love your guys spaces. You guys, you do a really good job with allowing people the freedom of speech, right? And I've said this before. I do know that sometimes people can push a little bit too far. And I love when Chris shuts them down. It's usually Chris. But speech is very important. And I think that the more that we talk and the more that we discuss, these things, what you were just saying, it almost seems like when they abuse these words and they abuse the terms, now it's nullified what the actual value and meaning to a lot of these things actually meant. And I think that that is damaging. But ultimately, I think at the end of the day, we're going to find our way forward through this, right? But I don't think that less speech is the solution. I know that a lot of people, that's what they're starting to say that. They want to like, basically quiet down the opposing speech. Whether it be for political reasons or they just don't like it. They don't like the terminology. I got yelled at earlier for using the R word. I don't know. I mean, I grew up in a time where we were allowed to say that word. But people don't like the word and the connotations. But I can't help but say that we need to bring back what the true meaning is of some of these words. And when people speak, we need to make sure that we keep down the path where we don't lose what the meaning is. So if I call you a retard, it's not because you're actually retarded. It's because you've done something that makes me think that you didn't compute what your logic train was not correct at that time when you computed that out. But now, if you're actually retarded, if you're actually mentally disabled, obviously, it's disrespectful to call someone a retard. And no circumstances. But it's words like that, where it's like some groups, they're OK with it, other groups, they're not OK with it. But I always bring it back to everybody wants to talk about mind control and MK Ultra and stuff. And I always say, don't you think that maybe the lowest form of mind control is stopping people from saying certain words or speaking speech? That should be considered the lowest form of mind control is suppression of speech. But yeah, I'll leave it at that Nathan. I appreciate you having me in there earlier. I was dropping some grenades in the other space. And I'm not trying to upset anybody with what's going on in the world today. But I do think that we can't lie about it. And I liked it you and Chris. And I think maybe this is actually why I like you guys. You understand what sports are. You understand what teams are. You have favorite teams. Like I'm Trump all day. That's my team. But does it mean that I'm not going to say, hey, your draft pick here is garbage. Why did you pick this guy? Like we have to be critical, I think, sometimes when they make mistakes. But I'm on the team still. You know what I mean? So but I appreciate you guys. I like what you said there. Just because you criticize doesn't mean that you don't agree with what people are saying. I personally don't think we criticize the bullshit enough. I think we let way too many things slide. And Chris and I'm just not big on telling your own folks what to say. I'm not a fan of the word retard, but that's because of things that my nephew has gone through. But I don't care what people say. Words are to me a lot of the words. And when I say hate speech, I mean, what it's become, not obviously you know when someone saying something hateful. But it's just it's like the racism thing. And we I'll get to you shortly Chris. What irks me about that is it's, if you say it all the time, then is it ever really racism? It's like you have to, there has to be a line. And the problem is we don't have enough lines. I feel like and I think some people are taking advantage of the fact that we don't. And that's why you know, I think speech is important but also think it's important when someone is spouting bullshit that you say that's bullshit. So anyway, go ahead Chris. I mean, yeah, words are powerful, right? So in the context of racism or calling someone a racist, if they fit the actual term of that word, it had power back in the day. It meant something. It was it was strong. But when you consistently label anyone that disagrees with you or looks at the world differently as a racist or a big it, that's when the words lose power. And we don't want words lose power, right? I like being able to hit someone like that with a term when they fit the term. It's just I'm not just because you don't like me politically or something, I'm not going to call you this and that. And just so I mean, there's some words I have absolute power. I can hear a Dodgers fan. I mean, you have a low IQ. You probably have a couple of chromosomes missing, you know, like a Rams fan. You know, so it's easy to define those people, but other words, other meanings just kidding. Had to throw sports records in there. Oh, yeah. A little. So you say, but not the practice of cool things who, and the practice. And well, you look at their fan, and you're just like, man, there's a lot of inbreeding on on the Pittsburgh. You mean, something like that? Or is that too much? I also want to prove that you made. You'll see that. Oh, no, I'm not going to Wisconsin, man. It's too cold. I'm not going to my background, bro. I think they cause everything. Unless they got good food, if they got good food, I might show up. The cold, man. Just cheese. They have really good cheese and cheesecake. Yeah, but man, I can get cheese. I was just drinking at all the cheese. I don't know. I don't need to go to the dinner. I need to get no cheese. Go ahead, Cosmike. Welcome, brother. Hey, let's see here. Okay. Hey. It's a good afternoon. Thanks for the space. Thanks for inviting me up. Appreciate it. Always looking forward to a good conversation in here. And I think Chris just made the point I want to make, which is language is powerful. But all that said, I personally, and I'm trying to spread this idea. I'm rejecting identity politics. I believe identity politics has done a lot of damage. And the reason I think that is, what we've done is we've essentially created a language to put people in boxes. And I think Chris did an excellent job of describing those boxes that we create for people. And I think it's just not a good way to have a conversation as to immediately label or think of someone based upon the box that we've constructed. And of course, people are also going to react defensively on said same basis right of those known constructs. And they're going to feel a certain way about those things. And if people are offended, I feel when people take offense to things that they shed off, and they are no longer open to having a conversation. And when we're talking, I think we shouldn't necessarily be talking about the individuals or group of people. I think we need to focus on the actual issue that we're trying to address and trying to make a change about. And that's really, I think, where we get the value is that we can actually discuss the particular problem that we see that is causing our nation a problem that we'd like to provide our own version of insight for that particular issue. And sadly, yeah, we shut each other down when we use these words, because they mean certain things with a certain people. And we're also pigeonholing people. If we use a particular word, say, Ram's fan, then we're going to automatically think they're retarded. But maybe they're not retarded. Maybe they're actually well computing people and thinking, well, I don't know. I think we've got to take people for who they are and not try to pre-define them. And also not to attack them personally, right? Because when we attack people personally, are we really making any progress with the particular argument we're trying to make? Because now we've changed what we're trying to express from whether this thing that we're talking about as a good idea or not more as opposed to the individual that said that such a thing or just attacking the individual instead of the problem. Yeah, I mean, that's kind of what I'd like to try to push is get people to try to argue the points, try to actually bring facts, not just say, well, so and so is a terrible person because I think there are races. I think they are a misogynist. I think whatever the word is, right? Because that feels good. And people like to dunk on other people and you get satisfaction out of that. But have you actually moved that particular conversation forward? Have you presented a useful bit of information that are people going to get people thinking and potentially getting them to change their minds about whatever it is that they're thinking, or is it just going to entrench them more in that particular thought? And I'd like to see that some more. And we're all humans, so we have our red elections or whatever you want to say. And we're going to use those words sometimes out of frustration. But I'm going to do my best not to do that. I'll fall into that trap and actually try to have some productive conversations. So the thing with Trump today, I don't know if you guys saw the America.gov announcement with executive order that's been put out there. I think that that particular project has a lot of potential, especially the use cases that Trump was selling. I did quickly do a search on that to see whether or not you could actually ask that thing to renew your passport or renew your order ID, et cetera. That's actually going to be future capability. So it's not quite there yet. But if they're able to do that, I mean, I think that would be really great. I'd like to see smaller government reduction and headcount all that kind of gets up. But at the same time, think about how application of AI will translate into the private sector. So if they're going to able to reduce thousands of jobs in the government, they're also going to be able to reduce thousands of jobs in the private sector. They're going to be mostly white collar type jobs that require relatively simple funding. At least in the beginning. So it's a good thing, but it's also got me a little concerned because this thing, AI is moving very quickly. And taking a lot of jobs, I think people are not kind of sleeping on it a little bit because they haven't seen what it can do to them. So we'll see where that goes. And I'm looking forward to some good conversation in there, and we'll see where it goes. All right, locks jump in here. And then we will go to Violet. Violet up here early trying to start trouble. Who knew? Hey, locks. And what's going on, Nate Chris, everybody, other Julie, Chris Uber, Moonlit, everybody else up here having a good evening, or I mean, I'm good afternoon. Yeah, I'm going to talk about the topic speech. Like someone said, like sometimes words, I'm more powerful than weapons. And it could really like get to like a lot of certain lot of people. And nowadays you see a lot of bullying and school and people using like bad words and internet, everything and all that. I mean, as I say, if you ain't got nothing, I say, I'll say it. Can you guys hear me? Yeah, I hear you, man. I'm sorry I was talking.