YouTube + X Hybrid Space - Zach Costello and TriggerSmart - Open Mic

has also put out some things that have got people asking questions, whether it be the Tyler Robinson is the lone wolf assassin of Charlie Kirk or whether or not there's alternative theories. So we thought that it would just be good and helpful to have a good open source, good faith conversation about all of this today. We hope that people join us who agree and who disagree with us so we can really get after it and talk it all out. So welcome and thank you all for being here. And Uncle Tom, did you want to do a quick intro and rules as far as bikes and that kind of stuff? So should we be managing that for us? Oh, sure. Yeah. I think it'll be the usual suspects coming in. And so I will approve, Mike, if you're unfamiliar profile may take a little bit longer. Well, you will kind of have to be vetted in a way. Don't mind taking a risk and bringing up some unknown person just keep in mind. If you violate YouTube terms of service, then you will immediately be removed obviously. And so that's kind of out of our control. That's YouTube thing. And we might actually have some special guests coming in as well. ADN, see there. Love for you to take a mic if you can. ECO, you've got a mic you probably can speak directly to what SAC was saying as well. You've definitely been here for the long haul. So I might defer to you. If you'd like, and Chris, I see you requesting. Just if you're brought to the stage, by default, just be on mute. If you come to the stage and your mic is open and we can hear stuff, you'll just be removed. So make sure your mic is closed and probably don't speak until somebody calls on you. And if you're on YouTube and you do want to speak, you will have to go to X just so you know. All right. Does anyone want to speak? Any hands up? I see Chris. Actually, ECO was first, right? ECO. Well, Chris was requesting a mic. ECO would he would have spoke up if he had something right away. So let's Chris, you're new. I think you're kind of a new face here. So if you want to jump in, go ahead. Yeah, hi. I just want to introduce myself. Yeah, I am new to the spaces. I've been on a couple of diligent spaces in the past. I think everybody has probably invested a little bit more time than usual in this particular case, dealing with Charlie Kirk and the whole Tyler Robinson assassination bit. I want to just give you a little bit of backstory of where I'm from. In 2018, I met Charlie and Candice and Philadelphia at the Green Eggs Cafe in Philadelphia. And if everybody knows about that incident, Antifa was called in to start up a thing with them. And they got spit on. They had eggs thrown at them ironically. Did it green eggs cafe? And I remember watching Candice trying to go after these people. And Charlie's trying to hold her back. The security details there are trying to hold her back. And Charlie's just got this big smile on his face as people were basically yelling in his face, spitting on him. He just sat there with this big smile on his face. And kind of just like, I don't know. Just shrugged it off. And ever since then, I was like, well, I'm going to donate. I'm going to support it. I'm going to campaign. I mean, I was already voting for Trump before that, but following TPUSA. So I feel like I have to be more involved and speak out a little bit more. I'm sure like everybody else who was on the internet got shot down in COVID. I lost my Facebook account because of that. Speaking out of that, COVID. And I lost my Twitter account. So I had to rejoin with a whole new account. So here I am. And I'd love to be a part of this group that's here. I watch all you guys, Zach, on the time, Trigger, watch you saw. So I'm looking forward to hearing what you've got to say today. I don't know. Zach, if you are aware of that event with Candace and Charlie or anybody else. Yeah, so that clip, if I remember correctly, went pretty viral of Charlie just kind of sitting there with the smirk on his face while everybody is screaming in Candace's face. And I think one of the clips that I saw from it was like Candace is built for this or something like that. If I remember that correctly, is that the event that you're referring to, their Chris? Yeah, yeah, I was, forget what month it was, but it was a nice day. I lived in Philly. I worked in Philly. I'm a general contractor. And I was happening to be going down that street. And I saw something before that they were doing something in there. And I saw Charlie. I mean, he's pretty noticeable, stating outside. So I was like, all right, let me pull over and see if I, if I can get an autograph, say hi or whatever. And then I saw Candace there. And I was like, oh, yeah, this is cool. So as I'm walking down the street, so was Antifa. They're all around us. It was kind of weird. And I just got caught up in the middle of it. And yeah, it was a pretty cool event. And then it went viral. Antifa actually was posting it. Like they were proud of it, which was kind of insane. Mm-hmm. Yeah, well, I think what that speaks to especially is just Charlie and Candace, of course, at the time. But especially speaking to Charlie, Charlie's willingness to just go into the lions then. He was willing to go in to tough conflict and tough moments to talk with any individual who obviously disagreed with him. I would say that is a pretty strong motivation for us doing something like this. I think we can all agree. I mean, at least most of us who are at least pursuing the truth in good faith and have hopes that we can move forward as a nation and as a society believe that we can't have a breakdown where we all just retreat into our own echo chamber. So I think just having an environment that fosters, I mean, freedom, first amendment, freedom of speech, freedom of religion, which ultimately encompasses the pursuit of the truth. I mean, that's what the founders believe when they established America. I mean, they didn't obviously want a government that dictated what a state religion or shut down speech. And the reason for that is because they figured that a people would be capable of pursuing truth. A good moral people would be capable of pursuing the truth. And we need to continue that into the future. And I think that that moment that you're speaking of there is a glimpse into what Charlie was all about, but it's a glimpse. And especially he and Candace in the very beginning of Turning Point USA, that's the foundation that the entire thing was built upon. And we all, but maybe if you guys missed Tucker Carlson, really going at Blake Neff and talking about the betrayal of the current Turning Point USA after Charlie's gone, if we're talking about a betrayal, that is at least very obvious at this point. Yeah, we have someone in YouTube asking what Antifa, who Antifa is. Antifa is a leaderless network. It's far leftist, you know, it's like leftist activists. And they oppose people organizations that they label people as fascist, racist, or far right. And typically, you can get pretty violent. So a lot of times when you see these rights and things happening and cars that on fire and that kind of stuff, you'll see trucks pull up and give them gas masks. And it's very organized funded by someone obviously. Yeah, that'll be good. While we wait for people to grab mics to jump in with the YouTube chats, because those are always interesting here and from the audience there. I will say, Zach, you mentioned a tribal in your kind of opening statement there. And it's something that I'm a little bit torn on because I think that the tribal folks, I describe those more as the ones kind of blindly parroting this official narrative. That seems to me to be more tribal, whereas the folks who are genuinely curious about what happened on September 10th and don't completely understand just based on seeing the event in their eyes and ears and would like just more data information leading up to the event. And after the event, those folks seem to, some people call them the truthers. And those folks seem to be the ones that are not tribal and actually debate one another and compare notes and so forth. So I do feel that tribal can be really semized by one group of people from what I can tell. And that would be those, again, blindly parroting the official narrative, just my opinion. Yeah, thanks, Tom. I tend to agree with you. I tend to agree with you that, like, while it's almost like a both-hand, there is the problem of both sides being tribal. But there's also the problem of there is an aspect. And this is where, again, I've been concerned about engaging with certain individuals. I would say on the other side. So if we're going to establish sides here, I think it's become pretty clear that I, and probably a lot of us here initially, are not convinced of Tyler Robinson being the lone wolf assassin of Charlie Kirk. Is that a fair assessment of the dividing line there? So we have those individuals who believe in what we would refer to as the fed slop narrative, which is that Tyler Robinson is the lone wolf assassin of Charlie Kirk. And then we have the other side that would be skeptical or doubtful or just do not agree with that claim whatsoever. The thing on the alternative side or the dissenting side of that narrative is that there's a lot of different categories. There's a lot of different alternative theories about what happened to Charlie Kirk. So it's almost like you have the one side that believes in that is convinced by the evidence that Tyler Robinson was the lone wolf. And then you've got the other side that, and this is one of the issues that I see coming from what we would refer to, just in a word, as the fed slop side, or as the lone wolf narrative side, whatever we want to call it. They seem to lump everybody on the other side of this into the exact same category. Every single person that descends on Tyler Robinson being a lone wolf is all jumped into the same exact category called conspiracy theorists, conspiratards. Tom, I know you use the word truthers, but I think you would agree that are there some people on the other side of the fed slop narrative side that you would say aren't pursuing the truth or believe in theories that you don't agree with? Yeah, I mean, believe in theories that I don't agree with or that I don't understand or that I described it to someone the other day who was saying that Charlie still alive. And I described it as, it doesn't mean that the folks that believe that are necessarily just like how some people say on the internet, they throw this around a lot, low IQ. Doesn't mean they're high IQ. They could be high IQ. It doesn't matter. The point is they just have a different opinion and going back to what you were saying on speech. I mean, I don't see, I don't think it's a threat to democracy. I don't think it's terrorism. I don't think it's any of these labels ascribed. So I don't know if that answers your question. One thing I spoke to Zach early on about is people were purposefully dividing everything for they're saying this size the fed slopers, that size the pod slopers. And they try to make it two distinct groups the same way they do with Republicans and Democrats. Zach, I don't know if you have a speaker still on possibly, but I'm here to echo. But other than that, they're trying to divide and conquer, so everyone just falls right into that. So if you're anything towards the FBI side or any of that, the FBI official narrative, then you're just accepted into that side and you're a quote unquote fed sloper and vice versa. If you believe any alternative theory, he's still alive. It was the drone, fake death, whatever it is, then you're on the other side, which is like the pod slopers. And the problem with that is that even within those groups, people don't agree. And within those groups, there's fighting, especially lately. There's been a lot of infighting. I've seen it on the quote unquote fed slop side as well. They've been consuming their own too. So what it comes down to is an individual person and their opinion.