Lost Faith In MAGA With War Room’s Grace Chong @gc22gc

Joanne, I'm going to go out on a limb and pick a guess here that you are going to be able to both name that tune and The artist that is behind it, but maybe I'm wrong You're right and thank you so much for hosting amazing song. Yeah, and I love it It's I won't back down and I'm not 100% It sounds kind of like Lou Reed, but I it's not Lou Reed song gonna go with either Don't petty or Well, you don't even need an or because it is in fact Tom petty and the heartbreakers Which I thought was a fitting you know joint. I was actually so I was looking through because we're gonna be talking about the significance not only a voting but also the importance of protecting That entire process right with grace. I'm very excited for it And I found myself looking through songs about kind of elections and the political process and I came across revolution Which I know we used months and months and months ago by the Beatles and I found myself looking into The background of the song like I always do with a lot of these to understand a little bit about the context the meaning And sure enough when I was looking into Revolution by the Beatles that song It has a an entire piece of it which talks about how they they want to change the world but that if if they are going to push for essentially violence They say in the song you can count me out and Everything's gonna be all right is the the lyrics of it and it's curious because the song Actually got an immense amount of backlash at the time that it was released Because the people that were listening to the Beatles Wanted them to actually encourage essentially violent protest and riots and all of these other things and sure enough the Backlash was so significant that the Beatles actually later came out and said not only did they support the idea of Essentially overthrowing the governments but that they agreed and cited with Marxist Politics which I couldn't believe and this is directly off of the Wikipedia page and it goes on to later say that towards the end of his life One of the latter interviews that he gave before his death It was saying that he actually retracted that ideology that he said that just like in revolution He thought that ultimately the best way to bring about a change was through peaceful Protests obviously the thing that we call for in these faces But because of that piece I saw the word Marxist I said get this out here No way not gonna have this so instead went with Tom Petty not with Bob Dylan who yes Comes from that same group of people isn't it curious because Bob Dylan certainly a I mean certainly a poetic individual wrote some very compelling lyrics But a lot of people would say you know not the most talented of singers or of performers Certainly pushed a message that was in line with a certain set of interests and recently had a Hollywood film about him You don't have to take much of a wild guess to To figure out what group of people he might have come from but but nonetheless So Joey had to go with Tom Petty thought it would be a good one and also wanted to get I wanted to bring the difficulty back. I feel joy in that the last last couple songs I've thrown it you have either been fastballs or big curve balls No, I always put I haven't listened to this song like in 20 years and I always put like Sonic youth build it on the ground like we've Blue read Tom Petty and Iggy pop in the same box So I was going to like so I love them as ones, but yeah, no it's such a good song and and thank you so much And thank you so much for bringing the difficulty back to like I'll draw a chord like In the I like that. So thank you. Yeah, no right that right up your alley I figured it might be and obviously Tom Petty certainly a very very talented musician and Somebody that if I'm not mistaken, but she's also a June Tom I haven't looked at Tom Petty Bob Dylan certainly yeah, he is but I don't I'm gonna Google We've got to because I feel and that's the thing. I you listen to Tom Petty. Okay, he can sing I you listen to Bob Dylan and he doesn't sing like a singer right He's not Bob Dylan. It's really not the most pleasing of voices to listen to but the times are hopefully a changing and we and this is actually a nice little segue right the times are a changing because right now We clearly are living in a confused world We are starting to look around and we're seeing that so many little by little are starting to awaken to the fact That not only is there something really wrong? With the American government where the middle class feels certainly very left behind by both the left and by the right The right often because of economic policies that are solely favoring the people at the very tip of the economic top and We just saw that today What a a wild Thing for Donald Trump of all things to do Right, he's gaining immense amount of pressure from all directions And we saw that he recently came out made some announcements about Vaccines right which is kind of curious because for a guy who said he was gonna run on a Platform of getting rid of a lot of the vaccines and had RFK in tote a guy who spoke obviously against the COVID vaccine It was very Inpicipatable because what do you know? Donald Trump gets back into office stands up there with Albert Borla and the rest of the billionaire class from the COVID rollout as the US government forms yet another partnership with Pfizer And the likes of this insane machine right But we saw him kind of taking a little bit of a step off the gas as they made some announcements around the The vaccine schedules For the youth right and so in some sense you could say okay. Well, maybe Maybe he's gonna throw a bone or two to the little guy and then what do we see today? But low and behold Donald Trump considering lowering capital gains taxes Right which is such an absolutely Asinine thing to do amidst the golden age where we look up and we see Not only the rich but we see Donald Trump and his insane cabinet that are getting caught in crypto scam after scam Donald Trump having made more money in his first 12 months in office than literally every prior president Combined right the man has made outrageous amounts of money Often through nothing but scheming and essentially manipulation of the markets So for that guy to come out in an era where something like 80 90 95% of all the value of the stock market that is moved around Being held by the richest of the rich Right to say oh we're gonna lower capital gains tax or our buddies who they're not out driving the ubers They're not out working at the restaurants They're not up mowing the lawns or doing anything. They're not plumbing They're not electricians these people don't work with their hands They probably haven't worked in honest day their entire lives right they move Money around in a digital scheme whether it's in crypto or the stock market Those are the people that Donald Trump wants to make sure to lower the taxes on so they can make even more Money out of the enslavement of the middle class right so we see these things And we note that even the die hard mega fans are starting to walk away You're seeing people in some of these polls they're coming out and saying the Trump is losing 20 30 40 percent of his voter base within 18 months of taking office I mean this is these are degrees of Let's say animus towards the political system that in many ways we haven't seen in forever And we're also seeing of course economic pains The likes of which we haven't seen since the 2008 economic crash so everything is set. It feels like For a change to finally come and so that idea of of Tom Petty's song. I won't back down That is what we need to be doing. We need to be rejecting not just the Republicans But we need to also reject the Democrats because they're all part of the same schema The Republicans are manipulating all of the markets so the absolute richest make a fortune at the detriment of the middle class And of course the Democrats want to open the borders They want to import every H1B work visa that they can possibly muster and of course in doing so Well, what does that do it increases the cost of living while it reduces the wages for those of the middle and the lower class But so on both sides of the aisle you see the exact same thing And so we need to all ban together just like in that top petty song You can't keep knocking me around. I won't back down right We all need to collectively come together and recognize this system It is truly in opposition to all of us Right the eternal us that in the founding of the documents that essentially enshrine the United States Right the idea of we the people But we the people need to realize that this game it's rigged that neither side cares at all about us And we need to band together and stand together because not only are we getting knocked around But in many cases it's not just being done for the richest of the rich in this country But for a global set of financial interests that not only don't care about us But that look to send our children our military our tax dollars to go and build a foreign empire That frankly would spit not just at our feet But in our face for merely walking in their streets So we've got to be willing again to band together to stand together and with that I'm very very excited I'm humbled that we have grace in here with us And not only am I excited based on the content I've seen from her But the recommendation from the one and only Jen ex-girl who a lot of us are very familiar with and absolutely love Who has absolutely recommended Grace and if I'm not mistaken this might be not to have a little Riding here, but it might be the first space for grace in which we are graced So I'm very excited for everything that's gonna follow and And and with that being said Joeyan any Additional housekeeping items here before we kick things off with grace and start unpacking this idea of The voting system how we are going about it and how we can potentially bring a little bit more accountability to those that are in charge of the country No, yeah, thank you so much for hosting and grace. I'm so excited to listen to you And thank you so much for for being here and rabbi. I Favorite person Mulberry amazing up and also guys please repose this space and if you guys go to it I will also repose that book market it helps so much with the algorithm and follow Ian and Grace and rabbi and Mulberry and I see my my girl mandy and dank He is brilliant guys, please follow follow dank and show him some love and I know just really happy and excited to be here So thank you so much for having me and grace how are you? I'm good. Thank you so much for the opportunity and yes, this is my very first space that I've ever spoken in and like participated in and I'm like You know, it's lame to say but I am a little nervous But I am really just thankful for the opportunity and I know it's just like everyone with like all across the political spectrum, you know, obviously I work for um The war room Steve bannon, but you know, what Ian was just saying. I mean he could be speaking on war room Everything that he said is like what we you know preach on the war room all the time You know, it's the leads in you know all the corruption and and yes a lot of people on the right You know mega is is upset of you know, just all the promises that are just not being kept and you know That's why we really do need to keep our elected officials accountable It's really tough to do that because they're just all paid off and you know they haven't agenda of their own But um, but yeah, no, I just really appreciate the opportunity and I'm I'm excited to talk about um just our shared hatred for the elected officials and politicians and and just everything the corrupt system No, absolutely and and uh It lets that that idea of the hatred just want to be very specific because I get called hateful of all kinds of things I certainly hate the idea That the American people are essentially just being treated like uh let like cattle at this point right? It seems like neither side could care any less about the lifestyle of the average American person So certainly hate that uh that view or that indifference to the suffering of the middle class which in my opinion In any way has been completely just gutted uh over the last Well essentially it feels like forever But it's really exacerbated since essentially 2008 and I think it went into overdrive Somewhere between Barack Obama and uh and Donald Trump and So certainly dislike if not flat out hate that also hate the idea of the American people being dragged into yet another conflict and war uh that i don't see any benefit inside and and great some maybe a way to kick things off right because I do feel like this Uh ran war right? There's lots of people that have been looking at me and and kind of the the talk track that we have and they've been saying that we're crazy for a long time I feel like again to to go back to maga and the the dwindling support the Trump has had It feels like this war with a ran Even a lot of the die hard maga people are starting to lose faith in Uh in Trump if not the political regime altogether and it feels like There's kind of a loss of hope uh with any of the alternatives if that makes sense because a lot of the Republicans would look at JD Vance or Marco Rubio I feel like the left doesn't even have a candidate at this point Um and any that they do have Their messages are almost as antagonistic towards just kind of the middle class American Let's say traditionalist as they are in in support of anything and everything else So I'm kind of curious for your thoughts on the state of the state and the demoralization I suppose of the American people in general Yeah, I mean you know I can't Speak for obviously all of maga or just like the right but um You know, I think the OG maga is definitely demoralized and um And just pissed off, you know and you know obviously there is a fight Between like who's maga the new maga old maga, you know meaning um The israel first versus OG maga, you know because OG maga is just anti-war america first And so there's a big you know a lot of infighting and and um When anyway, uh, you know just I just think that you know the OG maga is just yeah, they're they're demoralized. They hate this war I mean I hate it. We should've never gone it, you know into it the first place. I mean it's it's If israel didn't you know it's israel's war, you know and it's just really disappointing And I think it's getting to a point where You know like we have to get out and I'm just rambling right now, but I you know, I think that really is Just the general um Feeling of like what OG maga is that you know Yes, so a lot of frustration with it you're thinking in general and and that's so I'm I'm Obviously, I have a pretty Uh, I suppose once upon a time It would be considered kind of a fringe position in terms of the the the mechanisms of power kind of moving around the media and the political regime and all these other kind of things it feels like more and more people are starting to Either I don't want to say side with but at least kind of explore this idea that there are foreign interests that are really In control of the white house and perhaps a lot of the mouthpieces within the media I'm just curious kind of how that has played into and not necessarily shaped But how perhaps uh ban in the war room a lot of the things that you've been traditionally involved with How they're either Receiving or reacting to that kind of ideology and perhaps to to some of the people that might be fans of the program Well, I would say probably the majority of our audience I mean, okay, so we it majority of our audience It's boomers, right? So boomers they all are mostly, you know pro-Israel they you know they a lot of them are former Fox news people You know, so they still have that we still have a good group that um, you know still is like That they're not Israel first, but you know, they're just They kind of have that boomer brain, you know, so um, but I mean they you know Steve talks about it all the time on the show about um You know, A-PAC just everyone being bought out and just all the foreign interests and not only just Israel, but it just like Qatar and China and and just how everyone is just bought off so you know It the audience I mean our audience I I think they're getting really tired of it, you know, just the foreign interest and just It's just maddening I mean and I just see it every day in the comments in the live in our live chat and um, you know, so it's really it's actually You know, I find it What do I say like kind of hopeful hopeful because a lot of eyes are opening, you know a lot more people are starting to see Um, even like on the boomer side too because obviously the younger generation, you know, we all know is like Not anti-Israel, maybe anti-Israel. I don't know what you say like um, they see you know that we are Just taken over by a lot of foreign interests. So um, so yeah, I mean, I think there a lot of eyes have been opened um, you know, steves definitely against the war I'm not gonna speak for him, but you know, he's against all the foreign interests, you know, he says Yeah, he just said I think earlier this week um for the Republicans No Republicans should be taking A-PAC money. I mean, it's a can it's gonna be an issue You know, along with like data centers and everything so I don't know if I answered the question, but That's the general No, yeah, I mean you you absolutely did and it's one of the things you know I don't want to say what I've noticed If I look out at the political landscape there there's Of course a growing animus against some of these foreign entanglements and interests that you're referring to One of the things that I've seen though is it feels like a lot of the voices that are willing to discuss That angle That they are often very fragmented and what I mean by that is you've got for example some fringe Democrats that are very very anti-Israel But they're also being led by candidates that are also very anti Essentially middle class white Christian traditional American values, right and so if you think about that. Okay, so you've got some anti-Israel folks over there You can think of some of them as being the ones that we're doing the college protesting Right and a lot of those people or maybe a decent chunk of them right They had the blue hair or whatever other things that we would traditionally attach with kind of leftist ideology And so even on Fox News during that that window where you had a lot of those very very Intense amounts of protesting arising on college campuses again They were very anti-Israel largely because of what in this room anyway We would just label us the genocide of the Palestinian people right and and the reason that I bring them up In in kind of a specificity is that that group right the right wing would never be able to side with them So you had traditional Fox News viewers that would see the college protests That were anti-Israel and would therefore say oh look at the crazy leftists. I'm glad that we stand with Israel Right and then conversely you have more right wing voices I think if somebody like Nick Fuentes that talks critically of of Israel Right but his audience they might be right wing, but they're the youth Right and maybe you have some that are centuries some that are left But those individuals they're all going to be very very the the groipers are all very young They're all very antsy They use a lot of internet jargon and slang that the older generation is never going to relate to right They see the little green from frauds marching around and anybody that's in that older audience is going to of course tune them out. And so I bring it up because I feel like banding perhaps is a voice that some of the more traditional conservatives can maybe listen to that perhaps we'll get them to open their eyes and so that perhaps in some not distant future, right? My goal is to try to build bridges and foster relationships, whether it's the old or the young, whether it's the Christian or the Muslim, whether it's the left or the right to both recognize that we're all in this mess together and that we can all in fight amongst one another about how we dislike green frogs or we dislike blue hair, right? But at the end of the day, if we're all living in this kind of occupied nation where this one super set of interests just dominates kind of the the the financing of all of these politicians left, right, and center, well, then we're not doing ourselves any favors, right? And so I'm kind of curious how you think that that maybe banding is able to reach into that older generation to start to get them to think about some of these positions that again have been considered extremely fringe, if not radical, if not dare I say anti-Semitic right up until the last maybe year two. You know, I think what it comes down to is just nationalism. I mean, banding's huge on just that being sort of like the main thing. I mean, he's a populist nationalist. You know, like Nick Funtese, you know, with the younger crowd, he is about nationalism, you know, and I think, you know, that's why I think it's hard to, you know, with the, the leftist, their anti-Israel and everything, but, you know, like you were saying in the beginning, they are about open borders. They are about, you know, you know, anti-wide or, you know, all that stuff. So, you know, I think really what, you know, what Steve really pushes, you know, like Unworm really is just about American nationalism and getting back to that. And I think that really is how we can unite just everyone across the political spectrum. You know, like I just, it's tough, but I think that's really what the biggest thing is, you know, just focusing on nationalism. That's just my opinion too. I mean, I'm really big on just, you know, being pro-America and just nationalism. No, and it's, so this is kind of wild actually because to think that banan was, you know, one of the right-hand people during the Trump administration in their first term, and here's a direct quote. I was going to Groc just looking for some. So, this is directly from Steve Van and this is 2025 as of September on the war room specifically. He said they are not an ally. They never fought shoulder to shoulder with us anywhere. They got us into messes like in Iran where they've tried to have regime change and they've lied about it. Netanyahu and his government are destroying not only the state of Israel and going to turn it into a Jewish Pakistan, but they are hurting the Jewish community throughout the world and turning the entirety of the world against the Jewish community. Full stop. And anybody that's pitching and promoting and defending Netanyahu, you're only hurting Israel and you're only hurting the Jewish people on a global basis. Full stop. You're making your problems or problems. And people in this country don't want any more of them, which is a very direct comment from a guy who was extremely close with the president who seems pretty flagrant at this point. The Trump is just bending over backwards and doing whatever it is that either Netanyahu or Israel or Jared Kushner or whatever this set of interests are loosely speaking. And so I'm kind of just curious if you think is there any kind of piece of the Trump administration that's still listening to ban and or listens to this program? Do they have any ability to influence kind of the discourse or have you guys kind of been shunned out entirely do you feel like from the current administration? Well, the very first, you know, the 12-day war, you know, Steve did go to the White House to talk to Trump about it. And even from that, like from the start of it, Steve was against just everything about it. You know, after that, the thing with and this is just everything is just from my opinion, what I see. So, you know, it's not anything like where Steve told me or anyone that Trump administration shouldn't told me, so just keep that in mind. But I think that what I've noticed is that Trump, Trump is just very guarded by, you know, whether it's Susie Wiles or, you know, the people around him. So I think the information that he gets is very, you know, it's sometimes very filtered that what I've seen. And so, you know, we do have not we, but Steve does have a direct connection to the Trump administration and, you know, and I just think that, you know, how do I say this? It's just that the neocons have really just sort of taken over, which is really disappointing. You know, and I don't know what else to say about that, you know, but, you know, Steve screams about it every single day about the war and stuff. So, you know, and I think that's part of his job to make sure that he is, you know, that voice and making sure to try to keep Trump or the administration, you know, on the right side of it. So, you know, that's really all I can really say about that. No, and I had to ask, because I know there's a lot of interest kind of in, again, how do we build this coalition to try and just get these ideas into a larger audience where we're able, prospectively, again, to kind of reach across the aisle. And the older generation, the boomers that have been largely just glued to Fox News or some of the traditional mediums. Unfortunately, the ones that I feel like that escape the Fox News just made tricks, they often end up in the continuation of it with the daily wire, right? And so trying to figure out how to get them into maybe the camp that you guys are in, where you're at least talking about these things, you know, more honestly, certainly far more honestly, than the folks on the daily wire who seem just interested. I'll never forget when Ben Shapiro said that he would, he would welcome the idea of changing the legislation so Netanyahu could become president of the United States. It was like, you are a crazy person Benjamin. Yeah. You know, like so the warm audience, they are, I mean, they're just, you know, I'm biased, but I just think that they're the greatest audience in all of media. I mean, they're just like activists. They, you know, they really are ahead of like the news and like, so when I say like the majority of them are against the war, like a lot, they really are. So, you know, I think it, I don't know, it's very difficult because a lot of these, a lot of the older generation, they're just, they just have boomer brain. Like, like, Trump, he just has Fox News brain, you know what I mean? It's just that's like my parents as well, even though I tell them everything about like how bad it is and everything, and they know it, but they still have that boomer brain, you know, and it's just been so ingrained. And, you know, I just think I really, I think the future is really the younger generation and just to really, you know, make a coalition with like the younger generation and to continue that conversation. Like, I think it's great that you guys do this like every night, which I'm like so impressed that you guys do this. But I just continuing to do that and really, I'm really hoping on the younger generation to really, you know, just tell the truth about what's going on. You know, absolutely. And it's funny actually that we're, we like the song off and we're talking a little bit about the Beatles, right? Because whether it was that era all the way up to today, the youth has always been a little bit more, of course, radically pro-changed, right? Revolutionary change, even that song that I was going to prospectively play. And that actually brings me to the question, right? Because if we think about what it is that the youth are starting to build, right? I mentioned Nick Fuentes. And obviously his groikers, right? Fuentes has this kind of, I'll call it what I think it is, which is a sales pitch. And people are welcome to take their slant on, on house and seer or instance here might be. But this idea that they're going to build a ground swell where over the next 10, 20 years, they're going to kind of subversively occupy Washington by taking over all these roles in the hill and whatnot. I'm kind of curious for your thoughts on if that is actually a reasonable approach. I'm of the position in mindset that it's not because I don't think we have 20 years. I think this technology is looking to roll out of police state in the next five, if not less. And so when you think through what that change might be, that the youth could really try to accomplish, I think this slant that it needs to be essentially Joel Davis, Australian right wing. I think you'd actually, probably most people would use this for neo-Nazi. And I say that not as a slight, but he's kind of a very hardcore white nationalist, probably the right term. He once said that I'm trying to orchestrate a global PR campaign, which is basically what I'm doing, Grace. I'm trying to help educate and bring a lot of attention to these issues. As I think the only way we can arrive at this, kind of like that Beatles song, is not through violent protests. And I don't think it's through a 20 years subversion plan. I think it has to be a mass awakening to what's going on. And essentially a spiritual occupy Washington akin to kind of what occupy Wall Street once upon a time was trying to do. I'm curious with thoughts on that. Why I think, okay, so with the War Room audience, they're all activists, right? So they are the older generation, but they go, they are, the reason why they're so powerful is because they do the work. Like they go knocking on doors every day. They call, they text, they write postcards, you know. And I think if we have the younger people doing that as well, you know, I think that's like one of the ways to go. What you're saying with the hope he are trying to teach people and being loud about it. And I think that's great as well too. And the Nick Fuentes part, you know, I understand what he's saying. You know, what you may disagree with, but okay here, let me explain because what Steve says on the show, like right now, like, you know, take the maximalist approach and take over the institutions, you know, fire everyone at the CIA, fire everyone at the FBI and take them over, you know, and I think what Nick, and I can't speak for Nick, I don't know, but what I think he's saying is, you know, for the young people to get into these institutions, you know, don't, don't not go to school, go to the top schools, you know, and get in, be a top lawyer so that you can end up being in those institutions, you know. So it's sort of like, you know, what Steve says is do it now, you know, to the Trump administration, you take it over now, you know, and I think what Nick is saying is, you know, for the young people to get into these institutions, you know, and, you know, eventually, you know, take them over. So I think it's sort of like, I mean, I understand what you're saying, I understand what he's saying, you know, we got to do it now, you know, with urgency. And that is what, you know, Steve's trying to, or the war room, we try to push the officials, you know, that's why Bill Blast, Bill Blast, or who was like, made, you know, so that we can be calling our elected officials and pushing them to do this and that, and that, you know, that's that whole doing it right now. So you know, I mean, I agree with Nick, with the younger folks, and I, because I understand I, that I, I think that's what he's trying to say, you know, to, you know, get into the top schools and, and get into, you know, work in DC and, and, and all that. But yes, there is an immediate need, an urgency right now, you know, to, to make changes. So it's, it's all of it. So I agree with, with all of you guys. Well, that's the thing. There's, it's in all hands on deck and, and you know, I'm, when I say, my thoughts on the timeline here, it's not to, you know, try to undermine the suggestion. I think what you're saying and what he's saying, it's completely reasonable, right? We should try to figure out how do we position ourselves to try and make a difference and to try and, and take back any of these reins of power in whichever way we can, right? As long as it's legal, kind of righteous and, and that were motivated for the, the good of the people and the masses. Right. And so I'm kind of curious for your thoughts. And, and I say this, somebody down in, in the purple pill had a photo and I, I don't know the authenticity of it, but it has to do with, with Jeffrey Epstein and perspective ties, either to Bannon or some of the other folks that are within, not just the Trump administration, but kind of politics in general. And so I, I asked the question to frame it, this idea of trusting, right? Because I think a lot of people have essentially had their trust broken by either Donald Trump or a lot of his cabinet, and, and certainly a lot that came out in the Epstein files as people very, very concerned with what's going on, kind of at large across politics. So I'm just kind of curious if you have any comments or thoughts on, I suppose the, the, the photo director, the accusation that maybe Bannon had any ties to these folks. And, and whether he did or didn't, your thoughts kind of on how Epstein's playing out across this entire concept about a loss of faith in the, in the electorate. Well, okay, so, you know, obviously I can't talk about Bannon, like his, you know, relationship with him or what, you know, I just don't know. But from my perspective, like, yeah, obviously it just, they, they just, they messed up the whole band, not Bannon, the Epstein release. And that's, that was huge deal. I mean, I think that's one of the biggest, you know, mistakes that I think that the Trump administration made, you know, that just made people not trust, you know, a lot of things after that. So, that was really disappointing. And, you know, like, as far as like, okay, so for me though, I, I mean, I want everything out, you know, I, Epstein's, I think is, was Mossad, you know, just part of like the Israeli intelligence, there's just so much to it, right? So I think that the public has a right to know. So, and I think he's like a bad guy, all that stuff. But as far as with, you know, Steve, I mean, I've known him for more than 20 years. I, you know, like, I, I have, I didn't even know, you know, that he knew Steve, Epstein, you know, but, but as far as my experience goes, you know, I've known him for 20 years, I've worked for him for, you know, that all those like over 20 years. And he is probably one of the most like, realist people. He's very generous. He, you know, it's just a lot of people don't know that side of him. So whatever, you know, business relationship he had with Epstein, it's, that's his deal. You know, I just know my relationship with Bannon and he's really has a great heart. I mean, he helps a lot of people that, you know, if people knew him the way that, you know, the, you know, like sort of his inner circle did, he does, then, you know, I mean, I wish people did, but, but that's all I really can say about it, you know, and, you know, people can, I don't know what else to say. No, and certainly, you know, not, not trying to, to pry or anything along those lines. And I can also appreciate, and, and I, it was kind of an interesting and opportune ability to ask that question. I say it because I do think that there's probably a whole lot of people caught up in that entire thing that might have had otherwise, you know, good intentions. And, you know, sometimes can get swept up in, in not so great of things. But you're actually the second person that we've been able to speak with who had some kind of direct tie. The other which was John Pierre, who was a Canadian kind of podcaster and a geneticist, who was actually funded by Epstein with some of the works that he was doing within genetics, completely independent of all of, of course, the other insanity that Epstein was behind. It was really interesting to be able to get his thoughts on why Epstein was so fascinated with genetic testing and tampering and some of the things that they might have been doing at Zoro Ranch. And so it's, it's, it's, and I'll, I'll say this, Grace, one of the things that's crazy is to think to your point. So, so every day or not every, but almost every day we try to have these conversations and productively kind of advance awareness on some of these issues in a meaningful way, right? That's going to move a needle. And to think that, you know, it's just the thing that we've been doing as a little bit of a hobby trying to make the world a better place and to be able to connect with somebody like yourself that works with such a, a, you know, big voice to see ban. And it's really, it's a testament to the power of technology and really our ability to come together, right? And, and, and do far more than I think a lot of people would have ever imagined. And I, I use that as the royal we because all of us, I think, have the ability now to, to ban together, to learn together and then ultimately to build this kind of market of, of influence, right? That can compete with the likes of, of Fox News, perhaps not in terms of viewers, but maybe in the impact and the zeitgeist and the amount of people that like what you're saying with band and audience would be willing to actually go out into the community and to try and be active with it. And so I'm kind of curious for your thoughts on, you know, as, as demoralized as some of the masses might be, are you starting to see a either excitement or enthusiasm or perhaps the development of some kind of alternative, you know, ability to influence the narrative amongst like-minded individuals, whether it's through acts or some of these other social platforms. I mean, you know, okay, Steve, I mean his whole thing is like Fox News is TV, TV for stupid people. I mean, that's like, he's like, he's like, he's just, he has ingrained that into all everyone's brains on like, our audience. But yeah, I think, I mean, it's amazing that I mean, we're all up just like, I don't know if everyone's background, you know, like, where you guys stand politically, but, you know, what it's just, I think we just have a lot more in common than we all think, you know, and just having these conversations, you know, and just getting to know each other in that sense, I think is just amazing, you know, on Twitter and I think mostly just Twitter, really, you know, I think that's where the majority of the conversations are, you know, like these kind of organic conversations. I think, did I answer the question? No, you actually did. And it's, it's, it's, because, so on that, you know, I do think that when Elon bought Twitter, it did kind of kick open a door. And if you think about it, it wasn't just his promise to provide free speech, which frankly, I've found that it is free speech as long as you really don't go at one set of people right now. Oh, right, yeah. But nonetheless, I mean, you had Kanye West coming on here, singing his song about the Austrian painter, right? And that was just, it was nuked everywhere. It was nuked on Spotify, on YouTube, on Facebook, on Instagram, on TikTok, but here on X, they allowed that to take place, right? And it serves as kind of a microcosm where, and I critique, not just Elon, but also Niki De Bier who just stepped down for what I believe is a clear bias. But nonetheless, I also thank them because truth be told, they're letting me do far more than I could do anywhere else. And so I'm kind of curious for your thoughts on free speech in America, which it feels like a great phrase. It's essentially being hijacked because the only real free speech that matters anymore is digital speech, and all the digital speech is essentially in the hands of a couple technocrats that mostly, I don't know how else to say, they mostly wear these little weird hats, right? So it feels like it's being hijacked by those interests. Yeah, I agree. And it's, I mean, you have people in Florida that are that one girl who got approached by the police because she like tweeted something about Jewish people on, I think, was Twitter or Facebook. I mean, you know, there was like a, or I think it happened in 2025, like there's, you know, someone in Texas. I mean, it's getting scary, to be honest. I mean, as far as like, I don't think we have like totally like free speech, you know, even I think it's, I think X is better than a lot of other platforms, but yeah, you just still have to be careful, you know, because it's, it's still censored. You still get censored. And I mean, I think in San Diego, they just passed a law or something about anti-Semitism, you know, I mean, it's just, it's just, you know, that's a huge, huge problem. And, you know, it's just, that's something that we have to continue to be loud about and continue talking about because to be frank, I didn't even really know the extent of it until like I started, you know, because of social media, you know, like TikTok and X mostly. So yeah, I mean, I think that it's becoming, not becoming, it is, you know, an issue. Just it's really, I mean, as anti-Semitism really like the biggest problem we should be concerned about right now, you know, when like the world is burning. So yeah, I mean, it's free to an extent. And it's, and you know what? It goes back to that quote actually from Bannon about how what's going on with support for Netanyahu and Israel. It is, and I say this all the time, we've got individuals from all across the world, including Raed who some of us listened to a little bit earlier. You know, it doesn't matter if people are in Lebanon, they're in China, they're in South Africa, right? They're coming to this recognition that, hey, anybody that is claiming that you can't critique and open what, again, I mean, I define it as a genocide and obviously the world court kind of agreed with that assessment, right? And so you've got this strange... position where essentially it's being deemed offensive, if not anti-Semitic, if not in some places, criminal to frown upon and to call out the act of mass murdering tens, if not hundreds of thousands of people. And it's like if we are going to be told that we don't have the right to criticize a genocidal regime of Israel that simultaneously dragging the United States into yet another war that even Marco Rubio came out and admit that Israel is fully driving us into, that serves no purpose to the United States, right? If we're being told you can't condemn that, all that does is get people to look at what was my radical fringe position years ago. And they're like, you know, that crazy guy maybe has a point, right? So it does feel like Bannon's comments spot on where this is the insanity of this kind of speech, and the behavior of the Israeli government, it's ultimately not going to do any favors for the Jewish people because more and more people are going to start having more radical views about what's going on. Yes, exactly. And Steve is a huge supporter of Israel, so I just want to get that clear. He doesn't hate Jewish people, but he sees that this is hurting them. And it's hurting America. That's first and foremost. And I'm a gosh, I forgot what you were saying. But what he says is exactly right. I just think it just creates more anti-semitism. Just when we're not allowed to say our opinion about it. I think it's a genocide too. A lot of our audience doesn't, you know, it's mixed, you know, but I should be able to have the right to say that anybody should, without having, you know, being canceled or being debanked, which I have been debanked and I know many other people have, not because of that reason, but I think because I work for Steve Bannon, but that's another whole other issue. Anyway, but yeah, I mean, it's, it's, it does, I think Steve is spot on, you know, what he's, what he said. Well, and just on that, and I know there's a lot of hands, a lot of requests and people that are very interested to ask you questions. So maybe one final one and then I'll turn it in and we'll start kind of around Robin with some of the hands that are up here. But Grace, you just mentioned that idea of being debanked. I mean, I sit here and I, I'm very transparent, right? I'm, I'm towering essentially behind a anonymous avatar because if I am faced forward, not only will I be debanked, but all essentially, and isn't it curious, right? I will lose my ability to compete in the modern economy and any of the fortune, not just 5,000 companies, but any real business that does business with those businesses because you'll just get people, you know, ad nauseam calling employers or groups that you do business with, right? And we saw this exact thing. We're going to be talking on Thursday with Austin Franco, who was that Cornell here like somebody saying, I don't want to work with a Jew and he gets dragged through the mud picked out of his school and it's like, you know, you're talking about being debanked. It feels like to Kanye West comments, right? That Kanye went out and with Alex Jones, he said, this group of people controls the media, they control the record labels, they control my, my, commercial entities, they're my lawyers, they're my whatever. And then three days later, he loses his bank account, he loses his social media handles, he loses the deedless contract, he loses his record label and he went from being worth $2 billion to $700 million in 48 hours. And so it's kind of like they're proving his point. And so I'm curious how you feel that's going to play out because as more people start to challenge this narrative and if in fact, like you've seen, people start being debanked or losing their jobs or losing their, you know, their academic abilities and pursuits because they ask these questions. All it does is just further the animus towards those interests, I feel like. Yeah, it's a tough one, you know, I mean, I think first and foremost, you just have to always take care of yourself and your livelihood, you know, if you have family and just make sure, you know, you're doing the right thing for that. Yeah, it's tough. I mean, like, I know like it'll be, I'll never be able to get another job after working for Steve Bannon. I already know that, you know, so it's just how it is. But you know, everyone just, I just think everyone has to be really careful, you know, especially, you know, I think it's good to be anonymous like how you are, you know, a lot of people are just like an on accounts, you know, it's just, it's tough when you get debanked, you know, and it's just really annoying and it's just like it's so maddening. And you just don't want people to just do something crazy, you know, just being so mad off of that too. But yeah, that's a tough one. I mean, you know, like with Austin, it's just, it's just, they're ruining his life just because he said he doesn't want to work with Jewish people. You know, I think that is just horrible. You know, it's just, it's just, it's just, you know, it's just something, it's a war every day. You know, it's just, you got to just take care of yourself, I think first and foremost and make sure that you're not doing anything that's going to just hurt your livelihood and all that. I just, I just think it's not worth it in that sense, but, you know, do the anonymous accounts and keep speaking up. I think that's the way to do it. And, and we got to just keep on, you know, and I think that's, that's part of what I think, Nick Fuentes is saying is like, you know, for people to get into those companies and get into those institutions and for, you know, for, you know, what Steve says, take off, we got to take over the institutions. I mean, it's just, it's, it's, it's just, it's, it's not like a, this is one thing that, I remember when Steve went to prison, I was like so sad, you know, and he said to me, and I'll, I'll never forget it. He said, grace, don't be sad. We're going to be fighting for 40 more years. This is just a part, part of the game. And so, you know, I, just having that kind of mentality of like, I know it's like, there's like, urgency, but it's just every day is going to be a fight, every day's a war. And I'm rambling, but, no, you have, you have been absolutely wonderful. And, and I'll tell you, because we have, and, and I'll just call it like it is, right? I can certainly appreciate that in, in the circles that, that, that we frequent, it's, it's some pretty radical political ideology. And I don't mean radical ever in terms of kinetic activity or any of that kind of nonsense. But, you know, I, I have a pretty hard, hard line set of animus towards a certain interest that I feel like a monopolized just about everything. And so I, I say that because, you know, we often talk about these issues and the history of it and all this other kind of stuff. But to have somebody like yourself come in that is, you know, coming from obviously, I, I don't know if the mainstream is the right term, but obviously from a vantage point that, that has lots and lots of eyeballs and with you having the ability to be able to share some of these thoughts or conversations or ideas with Steve who obviously has a huge audience that frankly would, I don't think a lot of them would ever find their way into this conversation or space. Hopefully I'm wrong. But we're doing that. You'd be surprised, you'd be surprised. We have a good, good, good chunk of people, you know, it's, I mean, I'm surprised all the time, you know, when people, when the audience leaves me, comes, as I interrupt you. But, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I think, I think it really, a lot of it just comes down to just people are sick of it. They want just America first, you know, and I think that really is like the biggest, biggest thing, you know, and no foreign interests, you know, that's the bit. So it's really, I mean, it's, I don't, I don't think it's really that radical. I think it's pretty reasonable, you know, and I think it's, whether it's, it's, you know, Israel or Qatar or China. I mean, it's, it's from everywhere, you know, so, but, but I'm definitely, I definitely think you guys, I'm like, I'm more on your guys' side, I feel like. Let's go. Yeah. So, you know, I guess I don't know, call me radical then. I don't know. I think I'm just America first, you know. Yeah. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. So, you know, it's, it isn't it curious because all we are asking for is actually, you mentioned America first, right? And it's like we're sitting here and we're saying we want no new wars, we want to close border, we want, uh, re-migrant. you